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Andy Fyfe
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MessagePosté le: Lun Fév 02, 2026 1:54 pm    Sujet du message: Incomplete conformation and disengage Répondre en citant
Hi Guys,

Two units are in combat but due to positions etc. during the charge they are in incomplete conformation.

During the other player's turn he wants to disengage his unit which is in incomplete conformation.

p53 Incomplete Conformation last bullet point:

This situation is temporary and as soon as possible, units must fully conform during their movement phase.

Does this mean that the unit cannot disengage as it must conform instead?

Andy
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MessagePosté le: Lun Fév 02, 2026 3:35 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
I don't see any prohibition on conforming and then disengaging(?) I suppose the new position might prevent a disengagement, though.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 03, 2026 9:42 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Andy Fyfe a écrit:
Hi Guys,

Two units are in combat but due to positions etc. during the charge they are in incomplete conformation.

During the other player's turn he wants to disengage his unit which is in incomplete conformation.

p53 Incomplete Conformation last bullet point:

This situation is temporary and as soon as possible, units must fully conform during their movement phase.

Does this mean that the unit cannot disengage as it must conform instead?

Andy


and as soon as possible, units must fully conform during their movement phase. should be read as "you have to do this at some point during your first movement phase in which it becomes possible to do so".

Under the alternative reading you are suggesting, such incomplete conformations would need to be done at the start of your movement phase before any other movements.

This can't be the correct reading, as it would mean units in incomplete conformation had less options (ie break off) than those in full conformation - which makes no sense given the incomplete conformation rules are there to prevent geometry from preventing combat, not to create some new type of 'harder to escape' combat.

It would also be inconsistent with the the options units 'in contact but not in melee" have around conforming - ie (to move away or charge another enemy instead of conforming). If conformations needed to be done first then these alternative options would be moot.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 03, 2026 9:59 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Agreed Tim. Incomplete conformation is a game mechanic like conformation. It is used to sort out the melee calculations.

At some point in the movement phase, the unit must move away from the melee, or complete the conformation, the timing is at the player’s discretion. 
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 03, 2026 10:22 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Ramses II a écrit:
Agreed Tim. Incomplete conformation is a game mechanic like conformation. It is used to sort out the melee calculations.

At some point in the movement phase, the unit must move away from the melee, or complete the conformation, the timing is at the player’s discretion. 


Hi Guys,

All understood although it is a question of interpretation and not RAW. Sorry Mike B!

As a follow on question - could the unit conform and then disengage?

Andy
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 03, 2026 7:59 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
In a saner world than this one, any definition of what constitutes  “RAW†should perhaps be sufficiently expansive so as to allow the reader to themselves exclude any arcane readings of individual part-sentences which could/would then contradict multiple other adjacent and related parts of the rulebook, especially where other simpler and more consistent readings of the same text also clearly exist 

I’m also pretty sure that other types of conformations preclude further movement. 
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MessagePosté le: Mer Fév 04, 2026 2:35 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
I'm not really understanding the concerns.
"As soon as possible" seems pretty clear. I suppose you might encounter a weird "shuffle puzzle" situation where a simpler and more complete outcome could be obtained by deferring some conformations, and that would certainly be in the spirit of the rule, which as noted, is a game mechanic to impose alignment.

If you conform into melee or melee support, the only move you could make next is a disengage. That there is no prohibition on doing just this, either in the disengage rules or the conformation rules seems to answer the question.
Simple support is a more complicated question. For starters, it looks like the rules neglect to say you can conform a unit in simple support on the flank of a friendly unit in incomplete conformation - which common sense says should be allowed. But in the broader picture, units in simple support have always been allowed to flounce off, so why should they be stopped from doing so simply because they resolved an incomplete conformation earlier?

Anyway, hope this is clear and helpful.
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MessagePosté le: Mer Fév 04, 2026 5:46 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Resolving an incomplete conformation is a housekeeping device when a melee is continuing.

Disengage is a tactical decision to end the melee.

Don’t mix the two things.

A unit in melee (even if only partially conformed) can decide to disengage - just do it!
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