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Mike Bennett
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Posté le: Lun Nov 18, 2024 4:04 pm Sujet du message: Blocked evade - interpenetration |
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You can only make an interpenetration if your front edge emerges out of the other side What happens when an evader meets a freind it could normally interpenetrate but lacks the movement to emerge
[list=]Stops infront of the friend
Treats the freind as an impassable obstacle and diverts with a slide or wheel
Other[/list] |
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SteveR
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Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2018 Messages: 381
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Posté le: Lun Nov 18, 2024 4:13 pm Sujet du message: |
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Great question.
It is the latter.
See the diagram on page 49. In this case it is enemies in front of it but the movement should be the same I think. |
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Zoltan
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Inscrit le: 18 Jan 2015 Messages: 505
Localisation: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posté le: Lun Nov 18, 2024 6:28 pm Sujet du message: |
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Mike Bennett a écrit: | You can only make an interpenetration if your front edge emerges out of the other.[/list] |
Just to be absolutely clear about Adjusting Positions p.39:
For ALL troop types attempting an interpenetration, if their movement allowance is insufficient to allow their front edge to reach the other side on the interpenetrated unit, they shall not pass!Â
The not-interpenetrated unit is, as you say, effectively an obstacle, which evaders would need to try to get around in order to expend their total evade movement allowance. |
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Mike Bennett
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Posté le: Lun Nov 18, 2024 6:34 pm Sujet du message: |
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With friends they could make the full move, then adjust positions;
1. If the front gets out they are pushed forward out the far side
2. Otherwise they are pushed back
With enemy this does not arise, the only option to avoid is to slide or wheel. |
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Zoltan
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Posté le: Lun Nov 18, 2024 8:25 pm Sujet du message: |
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@Mike. I was just clarifying that: Units that start interpenetrating friends but have insufficient move to at least start exiting those friends, do NOT follow any rules contained in Adjusting Positions section.
Instead, they are NOT permitted to start an interpenetration (and must do something else in situations where they MUST expend their total movement allowance.) |
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Mike Bennett
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Posté le: Mar Nov 19, 2024 7:02 am Sujet du message: |
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Interesting, I have now seen a few cases where this would change whether evaders are caught or not.
1. They get away as they can slide out of the path of the charger, especially if the friends are parallel to them and they have a free choice of which way they slide
2. They get caught as by starting a wheel at 1ud from their friends they finish up closer to the charger. |
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SteveR
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Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2018 Messages: 381
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Posté le: Mar Nov 19, 2024 6:07 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hi Mike,
Remember that the chargers can (usually) choose their path. So if the evaders will be forced to go in a certain direction they can anticipate where the evaders will end up.
If the evade roll does not preclude this. |
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Ramses II
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Posté le: Mar Nov 19, 2024 6:23 pm Sujet du message: |
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I agree with Steve and Zoltan that the friendly unit represents an obstacle if it cannot be fully interpenetrated (for whatever reason).Â
As such the evaders must slide then wheel as usual when trying to escape. |
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Zoltan
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Posté le: Mar Nov 19, 2024 6:42 pm Sujet du message: |
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Mike Bennett a écrit: | They get caught as by starting a wheel at 1ud from their friends they finish up closer to the charger. |
Genau! |
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Mike Bennett
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Posté le: Mar Nov 19, 2024 10:54 pm Sujet du message: |
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Zoltan a écrit: | Mike Bennett a écrit: | They get caught as by starting a wheel at 1ud from their friends they finish up closer to the charger. |
Genau! |
In an extreme, a light infantry that rolled down might only end up half a UD further away. Â Ie
1/2 UD forward
1 1/2 UD for a 90 degree wheel
Stop all move used up |
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KevinD
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Posté le: Mer Nov 20, 2024 11:11 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yep, Mike. Be very careful with LI evading in front of deep friendly units. You might end with them rlooing down, being caught, blocking shooting in the subsequent shooting phase, destroyed automatically in the melee phase and the enemy then pursuing the destroyed LI into contact with the “obstacleâ€. |
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SteveR
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Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2018 Messages: 381
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Posté le: Jeu Nov 21, 2024 12:08 am Sujet du message: |
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You are correct Kevin - BUT
If the LI have to wheel to try to avoid the obstacle that can result in your charging unit exposing a flank to the enemy as it is forced to conform to destroy the LI.
And if it pursues into a line of enemy it might be fighting an enemy with two supports. |
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Andy Fyfe
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Posté le: Jeu Nov 21, 2024 1:08 pm Sujet du message: |
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SteveR a écrit: | You are correct Kevin - BUT
If the LI have to wheel to try to avoid the obstacle that can result in your charging unit exposing a flank to the enemy as it is forced to conform to destroy the LI.
And if it pursues into a line of enemy it might be fighting an enemy with two supports. |
The having to wheel and exposing the flank is the reason why I don't think a friendly unit that you can't reach the other side of should be considered a obstacle.
Players could exploit this to get a flank attack in their turn. |
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Neep
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Posté le: Jeu Nov 21, 2024 1:54 pm Sujet du message: |
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It is likely that the pursuing unit will be in the ZoC of the friendly obstacle. (ZoC extends through interpenetratable LI.) In this case, the pursuer does not conform. |
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Andy Fyfe
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Posté le: Jeu Nov 21, 2024 4:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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Neep a écrit: | It is likely that the pursuing unit will be in the ZoC of the friendly obstacle. (ZoC extends through interpenetratable LI.) In this case, the pursuer does not conform. |
The wheeling LI must have room to wheel; so it will be its frontage (1 UD) plus a bawhair away from the charging unit.
So the charging unit will not have to enter the formed unit's ZoC to conform. |
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