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Andy Fyfe
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MessagePosté le: Mar Aoû 13, 2024 3:49 pm    Sujet du message: Multiple Movements Répondre en citant
Hi Guys,

A question from my last competition regarding multiple movement.

In the rules section it states that a unit can carry out a second or third consecutive movement.

My opponent stated that multiple movements must be done together (i.e. without interrupting by moving another unit in the command).

This comes down to the meaning of 'consecutive':

'Consecutive periods of time or events happen one after the other without interruption'

I had moved the first group and then a second group. I then went back to the first group to move it again. I know this usually would not be a problem unless you had a group in the way etc.

What are the collective thoughts on the forum (again - apologies if I am 'sweating the small stuff')?
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MessagePosté le: Mar Aoû 13, 2024 6:21 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
I guess it's essentially a matter of taste and whether you are playing in a friendly or competitive setting.

I recall a Chess rule where once you've taken your fingers off a chess piece you can no longer change that pieces' move.

In my experience the general figure wargames etiquette (over many rule sets) is that you need to finish moving a unit/group of units before moving on to the next unit/group, to avoid chopping and changing, forgetting who has moved or who has not, how many CP you've spent etc.

In friendly/teaching games I see no real problem coming back to a unit that has already moved, to spend remaining CP on another "march move" if it doesn't really effect anything else nearby.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Aoû 13, 2024 7:45 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Andy Fyfe a écrit:
Hi Guys,

A question from my last competition regarding multiple movement.

In the rules section it states that a unit can carry out a second or third consecutive movement.

My opponent stated that multiple movements must be done together (i.e. without interrupting by moving another unit in the command).

This comes down to the meaning of 'consecutive':

'Consecutive periods of time or events happen one after the other without interruption'

I had moved the first group and then a second group. I then went back to the first group to move it again. I know this usually would not be a problem unless you had a group in the way etc.

What are the collective thoughts on the forum (again - apologies if I am 'sweating the small stuff')?



I'm pretty certain Andy (& not having my rules set handy I cannot quote you a page number) that it states in the rules that you must complete the movement of each Corps and each unit in that Corps before moving on to the next Corps or next unit in the Corps.

But there again, that might just be one of those "unwritten wargames rules lores" that we all play to (having played many other sets of rules that state that, clearly) and just assume it applies to ADLG Shocked

However, that is the way we play it.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Aoû 13, 2024 11:53 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
P29 Mark, 1st bullet
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P29 Mark, 1st bullet


I thought as much - thank you
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Ramses II a écrit:
P29 Mark, 1st bullet

So nothing there to stop Andy's move group A, move group B, move group A again, as long as they are all in the same corps.
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AlanCutner a écrit:
Ramses II a écrit:
P29 Mark, 1st bullet

So nothing there to stop Andy's move group A, move group B, move group A again, as long as they are all in the same corps.

I agree.
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Page 34 Multiple Movements "A unit or group of units can perform a second or even a third consecutive move in the same phase under the following conditions:"
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MessagePosté le: Dim Aoû 18, 2024 7:37 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
That 'consecutive' word, in that sentence, that we've taken to means that a 2nd and 3rd moves must be made without being interspersed.
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lionelrus a écrit:
AlanCutner a écrit:
Ramses II a écrit:
P29 Mark, 1st bullet

So nothing there to stop Andy's move group A, move group B, move group A again, as long as they are all in the same corps.

I agree.


Sorry Lionelrus, I disagree. P34 multiple moves uses the word “consecutive†(as others note), which means that a unit or group must complete all of its moves before the player considers the next unit
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