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KevinD
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Posté le: Sam Oct 07, 2023 8:01 pm Sujet du message: Scoring w Ambushes or Flank Marches |
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How do tournaments generally score a draw or victory where there were troops off table due to a flank March or ambush, especially with the fixed army sized score sheets? |
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Ramses II
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Posté le: Sam Oct 07, 2023 8:42 pm Sujet du message: |
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Not sure what you are seeking here.Â
Check army cohesion p69, which describes the on-table value, excluding all forces that are “off-tableâ€. |
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KevinD
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Hazelbark
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Posté le: Sam Oct 07, 2023 9:45 pm Sujet du message: |
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It does not take much effort.
If they troops not on board are in a routed army, then it does not matter.
So it only applies to draws and winners.
Pretty easy to just do math and put the adjusted score into the spreadsheet. |
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AlanCutner
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Posté le: Sam Oct 07, 2023 10:05 pm Sujet du message: |
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I use an amended spreadsheet for my tournaments that deals with this. Just requires competitors to record how many units were off-table at end of game. But very rare it happens. |
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KevinD
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Posté le: Sam Oct 07, 2023 10:35 pm Sujet du message: |
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Thanks. I was wondering if people really did this in practice. |
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Dickstick
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Posté le: Sam Oct 07, 2023 11:04 pm Sujet du message: |
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Flank marches and ambushes only come into calculations for defeat.
Any other use is not in the rules.
I think some over thinking is creeping in here. _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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madaxeman
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Posté le: Lun Oct 09, 2023 8:03 pm Sujet du message: |
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Dickstick a écrit: | Flank marches and ambushes only come into calculations for defeat.
Any other use is not in the rules.
I think some over thinking is creeping in here. |
I think the word "some" is doing some pretty heavy lifting in that sentence as well.. _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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KevinD
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 12, 2023 4:28 pm Sujet du message: |
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Dickstick a écrit: | Flank marches and ambushes only come into calculations for defeat.
Any other use is not in the rules. …. |
How do you square this with the last bullet on page 69?
“If part of the army is not on table (on a flank march or in an ambush for example) these units do not count towards the cohesion of the army.â€
This does not say they only don’t count towards cohesion for the purpose of figuring out if the army is defeated. |
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Dickstick
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 12, 2023 6:52 pm Sujet du message: |
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KevinD a écrit: | Dickstick a écrit: | Flank marches and ambushes only come into calculations for defeat.
Any other use is not in the rules. …. |
How do you square this with the last bullet on page 69?
“If part of the army is not on table (on a flank march or in an ambush for example) these units do not count towards the cohesion of the army.â€
This does not say they only don’t count towards cohesion for the purpose of figuring out if the army is defeated. |
I would have thought " only come into calculations for defeat " would have covered the exception you have found.
In fact it is the only use.
To quote Charlie Brown..... Good grief. _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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madaxeman
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 12, 2023 8:38 pm Sujet du message: |
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KevinD a écrit: | Dickstick a écrit: | Flank marches and ambushes only come into calculations for defeat.
Any other use is not in the rules. …. |
How do you square this with the last bullet on page 69?
“If part of the army is not on table (on a flank march or in an ambush for example) these units do not count towards the cohesion of the army.â€
This does not say they only don’t count towards cohesion for the purpose of figuring out if the army is defeated. |
I think what is meant is that "frankly this is such a fleetingly, vanishingly, almost inconcievably rare occurrence that its a nailed on certainty that almost no tournament organiser has ever had to consider it in almost 20 years of competitive play - and even if it did happen most players involved would have absolutely no idea how, ,or even if it would impact their scoring anyway. If it were to happen, and one of the players involved was also anal enough to want to make a fuss about it, then any sane umpire would simply do a manual calculation, "unprotect" the scoring spreadsheet and key in some numbers manually. Or they might just use the score the spreadsheet gives them anyway, and tell the player concerned to bugger off as it's all too hard and too irrelevant to bother worrying about " _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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