Art De La Guerre

[babyshark]

Let's say that I have a unit of impetuous KN which has wandered to within 1 UD of a patch of rough ground. There is an enemy medium foot entirely in the rough ground whose ZOC covers the flank of my KN, and an enemy CV within 3 UD straight ahead and not in terrain. As far as controlled moves go, I could spend 1 CP to have the KN wheel and charge the medium foot in the terrain, but cannot spend 1 CP for a controlled charge against the CV because of the ZOC.

Is the KN subject to an uncontrolled charge? It need not make an uncontrolled charge against the medium foot in the terrain, because the terrain would disorder it. Does the KN then ignore the ZOC and become subject to an uncontrolled charge against the CV?

I think the answer is that the KN ignores the medium foot in the terrain, and makes an uncontrolled charge against the CV, based on charge target priority rules. Anyone?

Marc

[daveallen]

I don't see anything in the Exiting a ZoC or the Exceptions to ZoC conditions allowing the Knight to ignore the ZoC.

Also, in the diagram on page 46 unit C has to burst through L1 because it can't make the move if it enters the Elephant's ZoC. Which suggests ZoCs can interfere with uncontrolled charges.

So my guess is the Knight doesn't have to charge into the terrain, but it isn't free to hare off after the Cav either.

Dave
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[fdunadan]

Correct.
the Kn is zoced and therefore cannot exit, even in uncontrolled charge.
He is not impetuous vs the MI (bad terrain) but can't ignore the zoc.

Wheel to face the MI or threat of flank charge next move.
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[lionelrus]

Just a precision.
The kn is still impetuous
a troop is not impetuous on another one, but just impetuous.
in this case, kn is not submitted to incontroled charge, but remain impetuous. If not, he would not be unmanoeuvrable troop, so coud madr half ou quater tuen for 1 pip and so on.
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[fdunadan]

Yes, I wa using "vs the MI" to outline the particular point.
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[babyshark]

Thanks, folks.

Marc

[Ramses II]

Thanks for a very interesting question and answer.

For the Kn, the most threatening unit is the MI. The fact that unit is in terrain that penalises the Kn does not remove this threat, so the MI remains the most threatening unit even if the enemy Cv is within 1UD, providing it is the closest unit to the Kn.
As Lionelrus says, the Kn remain Impetuous and they may either respond to the MI (wheeling towards and possibly charging); or the Kn may exit the MI ZoC (they may not evade) by moving 2 UD away from the MI while facing it. This is a difficult manoeuvre costing 3CP and disorders the Kn.

Effectively the Impetuous Kn cannot decide what to do, and become disordered / confused if ordered to retire from the nearest enemy.

[Longtooth]

Why would this cost 3CP? Surely it would only cost 2?

Jesse

[Ramses II]

P35, “when an impetuous unit is within charge range of an enemy . . . “.

In this case it is in range of the Cv (even though it may not perform a charge due to the MI), and they could charge the MI in the rough terrain (which is undesirable). 

[fdunadan]

Ramses, you made a mistake: the cav is 3 UD ahead of the Kn, and the MI is zocing the flank of the Kn.

If the Cav was 1 UD away, that would be the cav the most threatening unit and therefore the Kn could charge the Cav.
As the MI is on the flank, the Kn must turn to face the MI and then move on its rear 2 UD. the cost is only 2 cp since the Kn is not in th e uncontrolled charge case.
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[lionelrus]