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Black Prince
Prétorien
Inscrit le: 17 Oct 2016 Messages: 290
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Posté le: Sam Mai 12, 2018 5:56 am Sujet du message: Elite Light troops |
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Are Elite Light troops worth the extra cost? |
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2009 Messages: 4718
Localisation: paris
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Posté le: Sam Mai 12, 2018 10:39 am Sujet du message: |
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as all elite troops, , if you only roll 4,5 or 6 it's not usefull.
If you use it to screen heavy troops is usefull. as if light troops fight each others , and when shooting.
LI javelin elite are nice against elephants.l _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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fdunadan
Tribun
Inscrit le: 12 Juin 2009 Messages: 978
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Posté le: Sam Mai 12, 2018 12:53 pm Sujet du message: |
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and Elite LH bow are very annoying... for the opponent!
They receive shooting at 1 (dice) +1 (elite) +1 (protection) so 3 minimum... and 5 on average...so only about 1/6 chance of hitting them without bonus... _________________ Audentes fortuna iuvat. |
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Black Prince
Prétorien
Inscrit le: 17 Oct 2016 Messages: 290
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Posté le: Dim Mai 13, 2018 6:35 am Sujet du message: |
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I had not thought of selecting Elite LF Jav specifically to use as Elephant hunters. |
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Snowhitsky
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Inscrit le: 15 Juin 2015 Messages: 224
Localisation: Lancaster, UK
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Posté le: Jeu Juin 21, 2018 9:30 pm Sujet du message: |
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Definitely a no brainer. You get a lot of benefits for 1 point. |
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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1545
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Posté le: Ven Juin 22, 2018 4:04 pm Sujet du message: |
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Like a lot of things they are costed pretty accurately.
While handy I would not invest in LOTS of elite lights. 1-2 LI and 1-3 LH would be my limit unless I had a particular plan. |
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ethan
Signifer
Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 347
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Posté le: Ven Juin 22, 2018 9:42 pm Sujet du message: |
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The adlg cost for various abilities are remarkably internally consistent. |
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Maverick2909
Légionaire
Inscrit le: 01 Juil 2017 Messages: 103
Localisation: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posté le: Sam Juin 23, 2018 1:50 am Sujet du message: |
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I think there is a case to be made for 1-3 LI Javelin Elite. They could be placed into any ambush and would just dominate a terrain feature. You make your opponent come within 1 UD then throw your javelin and charge. Should be quite devastating for only 15 points! |
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Snowhitsky
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Inscrit le: 15 Juin 2015 Messages: 224
Localisation: Lancaster, UK
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Posté le: Dim Juin 24, 2018 7:41 am Sujet du message: |
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Why charge? With only two cohesion points you are at the mercy of the dice. It’s much better to keep shooting and ZOC the enemy units. If they charge in difficult terrain, you hold and survivors then break off to start shooting and regain the javelin factor for the next melee.
I agree with Hazelbark. Generally i wouldn’t use more than 2 LH or 2LI. They are nice to have but too many and you reduce the army’s punch. |
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Maverick2909
Légionaire
Inscrit le: 01 Juil 2017 Messages: 103
Localisation: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posté le: Dim Juin 24, 2018 3:52 pm Sujet du message: |
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You charge because you’ll inflict more damage than just sitting back and throwing your javelin, and in difficult going there isn’t a troop type out there who will be better than LI Elite Javelin. It would be stupid not to get into melee. |
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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1545
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Posté le: Lun Juin 25, 2018 10:47 pm Sujet du message: |
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Maverick2909 a écrit: | You charge because you’ll inflict more damage than just sitting back and throwing your javelin, and in difficult going there isn’t a troop type out there who will be better than LI Elite Javelin. It would be stupid not to get into melee. |
I agree with this, however you are unlikely to have this situation.
Consider MI Spear coming into rough. Do the LI Javelin want to fight there? They could...but "want".
And that is a pretty modest foe.
You just don't have enemy trying to push through difficult terrain very often. |
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Snowhitsky
Prétorien
Inscrit le: 15 Juin 2015 Messages: 224
Localisation: Lancaster, UK
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Posté le: Mer Juin 27, 2018 8:20 pm Sujet du message: |
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Maverick2909 a écrit: | You charge because you’ll inflict more damage than just sitting back and throwing your javelin, and in difficult going there isn’t a troop type out there who will be better than LI Elite Javelin. It would be stupid not to get into melee. |
MI with impact in difficult terrain are a factor up in the first round and evens subsequently vs LI as javelins don't count against impact.
LI only have 2 cohesion points which makes it a risky proposition. If you charge in with LI and things go wrong you are stuck for another round of combat before you can break off. If you receive a charge, lose and survive, you can break off in the next round. |
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