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Ramses II
Magister Militum

Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2015 Messages: 1284
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Posté le: Dim Nov 09, 2025 10:40 am Sujet du message: |
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Having finally read p72, it seems we are all wrong . . . | Citation: | Road
A road must be 1 UD wide and between 10 to 30 UD in length. It can pass through all other types of terrain (except a coastal zone and impassable terrain) and allows troops to move more quickly. However, it does not change the type of terrain crossed in regards to combat. For example, a unit fighting on a forest road is considered to be in difficult terrain. A road must go from one table edge to another table edge, a village or another section of road. |
So a road may not cross an impassable river, and thus please ignore all the above . . .  |
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Dickstick
Tribun
Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2016 Messages: 741
Localisation: West Bromwich
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Posté le: Dim Nov 09, 2025 12:26 pm Sujet du message: |
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Impassable terrain and rivers are different terrain categories.
Rivers come in different flavours.
We are talking about a river that is Impassable .
A lake or a mountain are Impassable that cannot be bridged _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum

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Posté le: Dim Nov 09, 2025 2:40 pm Sujet du message: |
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With respect, I suggest an impassable river is by definition impassable terrain.
Consequently it cannot be crossed by a road, which in turn renders the above discussion superfluous.Â
Let’s move on  |
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Neep
Signifer
Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 374
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Posté le: Lun Nov 10, 2025 11:11 pm Sujet du message: |
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How is this any different than mobile artillery on a road in the woods?
They can move 3UD but cannot leave the road.
They fight (cannot make contact, of course) without penalty (other than being artillery, -1) and shoot as from cover or difficult terrain (-1). |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum

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Posté le: Mar Nov 11, 2025 12:20 am Sujet du message: |
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The issue is whether there is a road at all.
P72 states that the road may not cross impassable terrain. Consequently there is no bridge over an impassable river and thus your comparisons are not relevant. |
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Mike Bennett
Légat
Inscrit le: 11 Nov 2017 Messages: 607
Localisation: Carnforth, Lancashire, UK
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Posté le: Mar Nov 11, 2025 8:19 am Sujet du message: |
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| Ramses II a écrit: | | P72 states that the road may not cross impassable terrain….. |
See page 75, ROAD BP 3 and 4; It is specifically allowed to cross a flooded (impassable) river. |
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Mike Bennett
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Inscrit le: 11 Nov 2017 Messages: 607
Localisation: Carnforth, Lancashire, UK
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Posté le: Mar Nov 11, 2025 8:32 am Sujet du message: |
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| Hazelbark a écrit: | | FAQ. A unit on a road that crosses a river is on a bridge. It is then treated as if it were in clear terrain and has no penalty in combat or shooting.: |
Ok, thems now the rules, and not worth any more time on such an obscure one. But nonetheless a strange decision given that such a narrow frontage would make it very difficult to force your way off of a bridge. Also it is inconsistent with how roads are treated in other terrain, especially as the road would frequently narrow at the bridge.
Dernière édition par Mike Bennett le Mer Nov 12, 2025 1:17 am; édité 1 fois |
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Neep
Signifer
Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 374
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Posté le: Mar Nov 11, 2025 4:35 pm Sujet du message: |
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If you treat the bridge|ford as if plain terrain, LI can be auto-destroyed; as if impassible then LI can stand.
There are two conversations here, what are the rules as written, and do they make narrative sense? I think it's good to answer the first one first.
It is an unlikely situation. You still have to roll a 6 even if you have the river and road or village in hand. I'd much rather y'all put your energy into open questions like "can a leader flee to a camp?" etc. |
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Dickstick
Tribun
Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2016 Messages: 741
Localisation: West Bromwich
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Posté le: Mar Nov 11, 2025 10:52 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Ramses II a écrit: | The issue is whether there is a road at all.
P72 states that the road may not cross impassable terrain. Consequently there is no bridge over an impassable river and thus your comparisons are not relevant. |
Except the p71 faq amendment for p72 gives an exception. _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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Andy Fyfe
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Posté le: Mer Nov 12, 2025 12:39 pm Sujet du message: |
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| pichuleante a écrit: | | Can you put a road crossing an impassable river? |
Yes - p75:
If the road passes over a river (even if flooded) then a bridge or ford is considered to be at the crossing.
| pichuleante a écrit: | | If so, how do you consider the terrain for combat purposes in the bridge? |
The bridge over a river is clear terrain and does not penalise at all - Errata:
A unit on a road that crosses a river is on a bridge. It is then treated as if it were in clear terrain and has no penalty in combat or shooting (exception to road p 72) |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum

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Posté le: Mer Nov 12, 2025 6:03 pm Sujet du message: |
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So it seems we have got to the correct answer, despite my inadvertent attempts to confuse  |
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Neep
Signifer
Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 374
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Posté le: Mer Nov 12, 2025 7:19 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Looks like there's plenty of shame to go around. Check the errata first is a lesson I keep learning. Again. |
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