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lionelrus
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As usual, truth come from france
" un groupe ne peux comporter plus de six unités dans sa plus grande largeur".
So, all cases submitted except the first are illégal
Et toc!
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Black Prince
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| Posté le: Mer Juin 30, 2021 10:05 am Sujet du message: |
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| daveallen a écrit: | | Black Prince a écrit: | I think some people are just try to break to rules.
I thought in V3 if a group was wider than 6 bases then you paid an extra pip to move the group but in V4 there is hard limit of 6 bases wide is this correct? |
How did you get that impression? 
There are no functional changes to Groups (p10) from V3 to V4. The hard limit of 6 bases is the same. Anything wider is (and was) moved as separate groups.
And to Diesel Dave - yes, it's within the rules to have incomplete ranks with gaps. In fact, it's quite common.
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Thanks, it is a good thing I asked the question, somehow this misunderstanding crept into our playing group so it can how be corrected. |
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daveallen
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| Posté le: Mer Juin 30, 2021 1:14 pm Sujet du message: |
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| lionelrus a écrit: | As usual, truth come from france
" un groupe ne peux comporter plus de six unités dans sa plus grande largeur".
So, all cases submitted except the first are illégal
Et toc! |
Thank you Lionel, on point as ever.
Roughly:
"a group cannot be more than six units wide"
No "frontage" though. 
I wonder, was the translator an estate agent? 
Dave
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lionelrus
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| Posté le: Mer Juin 30, 2021 1:21 pm Sujet du message: |
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Well, i think i know the translator, he is english, but not lawyer!
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ALEXANDER
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Is this still a group?
A______
BC_____
_DE____
__FG___
___H
..or this ?
LI____Li
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ALEXANDER
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| Posté le: Jeu Fév 17, 2022 11:49 am Sujet du message: |
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I have read page 10 again yesterday
..and I assume this is not allowed because unit A (or the Li units) do not have a lateral or frontal edge in contact with an adjacent unit.
But is this formation allowed?
AABBCC___
______DDEE
All units have a lateral edge in contact with another unit
..and all units have one front corner in contact.
Additionally unit DD is in frontal egde contact.
Both ranks have different width but
the group has a frontage of just 4 units wide |
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lionelrus
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| Posté le: Jeu Fév 17, 2022 5:28 pm Sujet du message: |
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| ALEXANDER a écrit: | I have read page 10 again yesterday
..and I assume this is not allowed because unit A (or the Li units) do not have a lateral or frontal edge in contact with an adjacent unit.
But is this formation allowed?
AABBCC___
______DDEE
All units have a lateral edge in contact with another unit
..and all units have one front corner in contact.
Additionally unit DD is in frontal egde contact.
Both ranks have different width but
the group has a frontage of just 4 units wide |
The group is 4 units wide, so yes.
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lionelrus
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| ALEXANDER a écrit: | Is this still a group?
A______
BC_____
_DE____
__FG___
___H
..or this ?
LI____Li
HiHiHiHi |
Yes and yes. But i can't see when 1st case may be usefull. The second is commonly used.
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lionelrus
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| ALEXANDER a écrit: | I have read page 10 again yesterday
..and I assume this is not allowed because unit A (or the Li units) do not have a lateral or frontal edge in contact with an adjacent unit.
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ALEXANDER
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| Posté le: Ven Fév 18, 2022 1:28 pm Sujet du message: |
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Unit A has no frontal or lateral edge in contact with another unit of the group. In addition it has no front corner in contact with another unit
It has just the rear edge in contact with another unit.
I do not understand why unit A seems to be part of the group
With the Li example its the same
Please explain why A is part of the group
On my second picture there are at least two units next to each other so both units fulfill the obligation and there are connected to the second line because of the frontal efge contact of Unit D
I guess you are right.
Otherwise a single unit wide colum would not be a group 🤣 |
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Za Otlichiye
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