Art De La Guerre

[madaxeman]

[Za Otlichiye]

Should read the whole thread before I reply. Bladed WWg's are a mystery.

[madaxeman]

[ALEXANDER]

I am sorry. I forgot to repeat that my last example was about a warwagon with blades.
I am sure you have already read the errata about this troop type

and Dave wrote that Warwagon with blades can/ must conform

In addition the phasing player chooses what unit is the main unit against the warwagon.

Therefore is up to the war wagon player to choose the main unit in his turn. The other units in contact with the warwagon act just as a simple support!

This is why I asked whether the warwagon eith blade has to conform to BB or CC or is allowed to choose AA as his main unit in his turn

As I wrote the front of the warwagon is on the left side.

[madaxeman]

[ALEXANDER]

Lets have a very simple example
The warwagon is WW with blade and has its front to the left
The warwagon attacks the flank of AA first
Then unit 11 attacks the other flank of AA

As both attacker attack the flank and the warwagon has attacked first, the warwagon is the main unit
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11.....AA...WWWW

1.....WWWW
1AAWWWW

Next turn
PLAYER A attacks the warwagon with 2 new units BB and CC on its long side.

.........BBCC
1.....WWWW
1AAWWWW

In addition player A has to conform with unit AA
Normally he should turn towards the warwagon because the warwagon has been the main unit in the previous turn.
Player A is not allowed to change the main unit of his own combat
There would be just 1 melee and the combat would be again between the warwagen and unit AA

AA would still suffer from the rear attack of 11
but would have a simple support by BB

But of course player A is the phasing player and so he can decide which unit will fight against the warwagen... and BB and CC are already in frontal contact with the warwagon.

So he might conform unit AA towards 11
Now there are 2 melees
BB and CC fight the warwagon
and AA fights against 11 now (without its factor reduced to zero? See picture on page 66

Next turn

The warwagon player can decide the main unit but now unit AA has contacted unit 11 with its front.

Tough the warwagon fought against AA in the first turn
and has not been flanked by any other unit
....you argue that the warwagon cannot choose to fight against AA again.

Because the warwagon is contacted on his long side?
The warwagon with blades is not allowed to fight against an enemy that is in front of his short edge (its front edge) and treat Unit BB and Cc as simple support for AA?

[Za Otlichiye]

Alexander,
I don't see how this is much different from ordinary units in such a melee.
Units 1 and 2 attack both flanks of A.

[ALEXANDER]

Thank you Za.

You understood the situation of my example,
but I think there are some differences.
I will take your example to demonstrate

As I said, unit 2 attacks before 1
So unit 2 is the main unit against A

I think (even in your example)
unit A has to conform to 2 because it has been the main unit before.

If, for example, A is a elefant, 1 a MC and 2 and B are both Light infantry, it makes a huge difference.

If A conform to the main unit of last round,
there would be just 1 melee
A against 2

In your example 22 has its front still in the rear of AA
Therefore A's factor is reduced to zero
untill 22 has conformed to BB

Aa I understand Madaxeman
this is different with a warwagons wirh blase.
He argued that the warwagon is already in front combat with BB
The long edge is now the front and the real front edge becomes the flank at that moment
..and there is no flank attack (factor zero) against AA anymore

In addition (with warwagons) the attack of BB against 22 is not a true flank attack, but either another front contact or just a kind of simple support

You could imagine a situation like this

.....B
.....B
1.....2
1AA2

As the combat is against a warwagon player A can decide which of his unit will fight the warwsgon
Of corse he will choose B because it has no multiple attack
But normally unit A would then give no simple support to BB but instead suffer the rear attack of 1

In the next turn the warwagon player could choose to fight against AA again. .as a multiple attack with BB just counting as a simple support. If A conforms to 1 he might not do that.

There is a difference with conforming conpared to normal units. Dave said they have to conform (when attacking?)
But it seem the do not have to conform when beeing attacked on their long side.
With normal units, 2 would have to conform to B
If 2 is a warwagon he does not have to turn his front to BB

At least these difference should be clarified in the Errata

[ALEXANDER]

Sorry double post

[daveallen]

I'm sorry Alexander, but I can't make head or tail of your diagrams. It would be a lot easier if you took photos of the situations and uploaded them (using an image sharing site like imgur.com), or you could draw diagrams and upload those.

Alternatively, imaginative use of the emoticons sometimes works.

But whatever you do please use the preview function to check that what you're posting is comprehensible.

I hope this helps,

Dave
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I believe you are describing

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