Art De La Guerre

stuuk · Gladiateur Inscrit le: 21 D�c 2014 Messages: 32

Am I missing a rule or is it really possible to turn and charge?

So for example, I turn a stand 180 degrees and charge a unit behind me?

Commodore · Post� le: Dim F�v 15, 2015 1:07 pm Sujet du message:

Correct !
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Soranon · Post� le: Dim F�v 15, 2015 1:09 pm Sujet du message:

Yes you can !

At the begining of a charge, a unit can do one of this (p36 in french rule):

- A wheel
- A shift
- A turn (with a wheel)

Unit can't never turn and shift (p28)

stuuk · Gladiateur Inscrit le: 21 D�c 2014 Messages: 32

Thanks guys.

And when you charge as a group, if one unit would overlap (support) against an enemy unit, I can choose for the supporting unit to move past the enemy front and end, say side to side - correct?
(of course, only if the supporting unit is not itself in front to front contact with the enemy)

(in order to setup a flank charge next friendly bound)

Mad Max · Post� le: Lun F�v 16, 2015 8:41 pm Sujet du message:

Mad Max · Post� le: Lun F�v 16, 2015 8:41 pm Sujet du message:

Mad Max · Post� le: Lun F�v 16, 2015 8:45 pm Sujet du message:

Mind you: you can support this overlapping unit with another unit for the same cost.

About u-turning and charging, don't forget that it takes 2 cp and 2 mp for some units just for the u-turn
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stuuk · Gladiateur Inscrit le: 21 D�c 2014 Messages: 32

Not that I want it to be possible (I think it would be a bad rule) but where does it say in the book it cannot be done?

I am considering pitching the game to serial FoG players but this puts me off, as does the charge in any direction rule.

Longtooth · Post� le: Mar F�v 17, 2015 5:53 am Sujet du message:

Page 36 (Continuing a charge) says that "once the units are in contact with an enemy, thy must each conform (see page 52)".

Flipping through to page 52, we see that "after initial contact is made, the unit continues to move by sliding and/or wheeling up to one UD in order to align corner to corner with the enemy most in front.....in the case of front or flank contact, the unit must be aligned with its front corner against the enemy's front corner".

The 360 charge rule is different to most ancient / medieval rule sets but does not make the game any less interesting to play.

stuuk · Gladiateur Inscrit le: 21 D�c 2014 Messages: 32

Ah yeah, good catch. Thanks Smile

"The 360 charge rule is different to most ancient / medieval rule sets but does not make the game any less interesting to play."

No, I agree.

The thing that concerns me is that is seems extremely easy to flank opposing elements, which turns it in to a game of flanking. It's good that you cannot line up a flank attack on the charge (because you have to get behind their front edge)

ethan · Signifer Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 347

The way we are thinking about it is this:

In other games (FoG, DBM notably) the bias is that it is difficult to flank people. When playing if it looks hard to flank someone, you probably can't do it.

In ADLG the bias is that it is easy to flank attack. If you have a free unit close to someone's flank you can probably do it.

This caught us out several times when we were first playing, but we have come around to this rule. It makes the game more decisive, it reduces "clever" play to frustrate the opponent, and when you have broken through someone's flank and have more troops there than they have you can do a lot of damage.

In DBM a good players could often use N-1 or N-2 bases to seriously frustrate the ability of someone with N bases to attack the flank of a formation. In ADLG the N-1 bases (much less N-2) have much less ability to do this.

There is a flip side, in ADLG someone will rarely (if ever) get a flank attack opportunity before you are able to respond. As long as you have troops to fight with you can probably protect your flank. But if you reach a point that someone has a base behind your front line, close to your formation, with no fewer defenders than attackers in the area - you are going to get hit in the flank.

stuuk · Gladiateur Inscrit le: 21 D�c 2014 Messages: 32

That seems a pretty accurate description yes.

We've found that when outnumbered it's very easy to be flanked, which is logical but it does tend to mean that many poor troops can often get the better of fewer, better, troops.

It is entirely possible we are playing badly of course - reserves are required in order to project ZOCs, and we have a current tendency to commit everything..

Another query - the +1 for fighting the flank of an enemy.
Does that only apply to the main unit if it is attacking the flank of an enemy?

lionelrus · Post� le: Mar F�v 17, 2015 3:37 pm Sujet du message:

Longtooth · Post� le: Mar F�v 17, 2015 8:54 pm Sujet du message:

Stuuk,

You get +1 for flank attack regardless of whether the flanking unit is the only element in contact. In this sense, it is similar to the +1 bonus for side overlap (although you cannot claim +1 for overlap and +1 for flank on the same flank).