Art De La Guerre

[hcaille]

There was a question about Medium Spearmen abilities in the french forum.

To be clear :
Medium spearmen cancel impact of mounted troops
But only Heavy spearmen and Pikemen keept their impact ability against a charging monted with impact (see P 17)

Examples :
Medium spearmen charged by a Cavalry without impact
Medium spearmen = 1 + 1 with impact = +2
Cavalry = 1 + 1 bonus in the first round = +2
So it is equal factor

Medium spearmen charged by a Cavalry with impact
Medium spearmen = 1 + 0 (it has no impact in this case) = +1
Cavalry = 1 + 0 (impact cancelled by spearmen) = +1
So it is equal factor again but Cavalry have the furious charge effect

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[stuuk]

Does spear cancel impact of heavy foot?

I can't see it anywhere but am surprised it doesn't..

[Soranon]

No : Spear doesn't cancel impact of medium or heavy foot. It doesn't cancel impetuosity of any foot too.

[lionelrus]

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[stuuk]

Well you'd think that if spear is effective enough to counter a mounted charge that it would have a similar effect versus a foot charge..

I personally don't see foot swordsmen having an advantage versus an ordered spear unit, but in AdG not only do they keep impact but they'll also keep any furious charge, making heavy sword very good at killing spearmen on the charge.

[Hazelbark]

I think it is a series of interactions.

First Swordsmen doesn't strictly mean "sword"

Generally things rated as Swordsmen were better than things rated as spearman. The legion was seen as superior to the hoplite. The Halberdiers were seen as superior to spear wall even medieval times.

If spear was effective versus foot, then it would be better versus mounted and better versus foot.

Finally all the interactions basically work that impact sword is net +1 vs spear at impact and even after that. So it amounts to a one (granted important) turn disadvantage for spear.

[chris6]

The "impact" of the swordmen means they throw stuff like a pilum or axt or so on at their opponent when they charge. This is likely to bring some disorder to the spearmen. Shields tend to get to heavy to hold up if stucked by throwing weapons. This is why impact swordmen should be better han spearmen in the charge.
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[ethan]

From a game perspective there are only so many options you can choose from:

- Weaponry could be irrelevant, you could just have heavy foot and medium foot. There are IMO good arguments for this, but it tends to make things a bit boring.

- Spear and Swords (and possibly pikes...) could be equal in hth with spears better vs mounted. So Spears are just better and therefore cost more (this is basically the DBM solution).

- Spears are better vs. mounted and Swords better vs. foot. This is what ADLG chose.

ADLG within its periods also makes this work out a bit better than you might think at first. So when looking at historical match-ups when the predominant foot type is spear there tends not to be much in the way impact foot around and when it is around it seems to be troops that are scary for spears.

[Muntaner]

[belinconnux]

AdG, like other "simulations games" is a game played with historical miniatures.
It isn't a real historical simulation. It's impossible to simulate battle.
Please, read (or read again) Philip Sabin.
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