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Mark G Fry
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 Posté le: Ven Oct 18, 2024 1:54 pm Sujet du message: Hussite Fanatical Peasants #255 |
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Hi - does anybody have any idea why the Fanatical peasants in the Hussite army are classified as Medium swordsmen mediocre @ 4pts, please?
I suspect this might be an error, and it should be Medium swordsmen impetuous @ 6pts, as similar Fanatical peasants/pilgrims types in the People's Crusader list #195 are classified as MF swd impetuous.
I can find no historical justification for them being poor quality or reluctant or even worse armed (e.g. mediocre) - even towards the end of the Hussite 'reign' after the civil war.
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Mark
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madaxeman
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 18, 2024 4:42 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Mark G Fry a écrit: | Hi - does anybody have any idea why the Fanatical peasants in the Hussite army are classified as Medium swordsmen mediocre @ 4pts, please?
I suspect this might be an error, and it should be Medium swordsmen mediocre @ 6pts, as similar Fanatical peasants/pilgrims types in the People's Crusader list #195 are classified as MF swd impetuous.
I can find no historical justification for them being poor quality or reluctant or even worse armed (e.g. mediocre) - even towards the end of the Hussite 'reign' after the civil war.
Thanks
Mark |
Maybe the whole "rush the enemy impetuously" thing was considered rather incompatible with a historical tendency towards defending behind a line of barricades and war wagons ?
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Mark G Fry
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| Posté le: Ven Oct 18, 2024 5:09 pm Sujet du message: |
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True, Tim.
However, that doesn't appear to be how the Hussite peasantry did things historically - the wagons form up defensively, with the peasantry behind, and given half a chance they would charge out at just about any enemy forces - especially early on  Later on they get a lot more disciplined - hence the HF swd polearm troops. Much more stoic - advancing on their foes steadily - singing psalms & beating drums.
It just seemed a bit at odds with the Levy impetuous -on the same line in the army lists - which are I think very appropriate.
But I suppose it does give you some cheap bad-going units for the army 
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Mark
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Mark G Fry
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NB: I am getting some very odd spelling corrections/translations appearing in posts - I post "foes stoically' and it converts it into "foes continually" - have we got some sort of AI creeping into the forum????
It appears alright in the preview but when posted it changes it 
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Longtooth
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| Posté le: Sam Oct 26, 2024 3:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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Mark,
I think you should be asking yourself whey you would ever want medium sword when impetuous levy are on offer 
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| Posté le: Sam Oct 26, 2024 3:49 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Longtooth a écrit: | Mark,
I think you should be asking yourself whey you would ever want medium sword when impetuous levy are on offer
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Hi Jesse
Well ...
1). Levy count as a 'heavy' unit (but with 3 lives) and so are disadvantaged in rough or difficult terrain
2). Levy can only move 2 UD inside the Tactical Zone, and that makes them extra difficult to move (e.g. turn to flank costing 2 UDs means all they can do is that turn, no movement).
Having the MF swd as impetuous (rather than mediocre) just gives you some reasonable close terrain troops, which without them the Hussite is vulnerable (as all they have is the MF swd mediocre &/or 4 LI with bow/slings).
But my point is really 'why are the MF Fanatical Peasants classified as mediocre?' as similar 'fanatical' peasants in other lists (People's Crusader is a good example) are classified as MF swd impetuous. I can find no real historical evidence that Hussite fanatical peasants were any worse than other religious fanatic peasantry - and classifying them as MF mediocre puts them on the same level as French HYW Brigands or Scottish Ribaults.
Don't get me wrong Levy impetuous are a great troop type (& I'll use them willingly and in large numbers) but it's the MF swd (mediocre) classification that I am finding odd.
Cheers
Mark
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