Art De La Guerre

[Mark G Fry]

[Ramses II]

Good spot Kevin, reinforced by the fourth bullet rather than the first 

[KevinD]

Mark, impetuous troops only make an uncontrolled charge if they receive no orders. See 4th bullet p45. “If the unit or group receives no orders, all impetuous units that are within charge range of an enemy must make an uncontrolled charge.”

All the orders are listed on p 25.

Ironically, I don’t think 0 CP rallies at greater than 4UD are ever defined as requiring an order (at least in the English version). Orders are defined on p 25 and rallies on p 45 are these 0 UD rallies are left off the list of orders on p 25 and not defined as orders on p 45.

So potentially a troops who rallied for 0 CP (successful or not, whether they were disordered or not) are still required to make an uncontrolled charge if within charge range.

This turns on the precise wording on pp 25 and 45 and could easily be different in French or just not what’s intended…

[Neep]

Well, you do have "orders" in the 4th bullet on page 45, and "move, rally or [hold]" in the 5th bullet, so I think it's bullet proof. You also have 0 CP spontaneous charges (which are listed on page 25 along with uncontrolled charges...), but I don't think it ever comes into consideration.

[Neep]

A thank you to everyone participating in the discussion. My query was a curiosity that cropped up while repeatedly reading the Uncontrolled charges pages for the more important questions on the Uncontrolled Charge and interpenetration thread. I may have been too familiar with the scenario to provide an adequately clear description.

This is the forum of record where any and all queries should be posted. Not every question has a ready answer, but an unasked question never does.

[lionelrus]

[KevinD]

lionelrus, there seem to be two edge cases where being allowed to rally for 0 CP might help.

1. Impetuous cavalry or camelry right at 4 UD from an enemy unit that is engaged, so rallies for 0 CP, but then the friends engaging (and probably also providing simple support against) the enemy disengage/break off, making it a legitimate target for a spontaneous charge.
2. An enemy evades from beyond 4 UD but ends up less than 4 UD from the impetuous unit.

As I wrote above, I am not sure that a 0 CP rally attempt prevents the spontaneous advance in either of these cases as it may not count as an order to prevent spontaneous charges, depending on how closely you read pp 25 and 45.

[madaxeman]

[Mike Bennett]

[lionelrus]

[Neep]

Est-ce une promesse?

[AlanCutner]

[Hazelbark]