Art De La Guerre

[Hazelbark]

_XB
YA

A and X are fighting frontally against one another.
Y flank charges A. A drops and fights and survives.
Next turn
B flank charges X. X loses all its cohesion and routs on the charge.

We figured it as follows:
1) X is routed and not removed until end of Melee phase. There is no combat. (p 59)
2) B can pursue 1 UD as all its opponents routed.
3) A cannot pursue because it still has opponent

Then there are two seemingly overlapping rules.
"Conforming after a melee" p 55
4) A could choose but does not have to conform. Since A is the phasing player it cannot evade.
"Conforming after a flank attack" p 54
5) A must conform to Y.

Now add to this that Y is Spear and A is HC Bow. So if you ruled 4, then the HC could evade when the Spear has to try to re-initiate an attack. We played it as 5 was the correct way. As the 4 decision seemed convoluted and intended for a different situation.

We were a little confused by the overlap of the two rules.

[Thomas]

OK for solution 5. In this case, I would apply picture "conforming: example 2' p.55.
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[flatsix518]

When does the conforming occur? Is it done during the same turn the melee eliminated opponents (after routs) -- or does conforming occur during the next movement phase?

Thanks,

John

[Commodore]

Conforming occurs just after the initial contact. If it is not possible to the phasing unit, the others units will conform at their phase. In case of corner to corner, it will occurs when the unit in contact is activated,but it is an option. When it is a unit contacted on flank or rear if not in contact on the front, the conformation occurs at the beginning of the combat phase.
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[flatsix518]

Hmmm. I understand conforming at contact.

My question is related to "conforming *after* melee". See p. 55.

When does this conforming movement occur?

Thanks -- you guys are great at responding to questions.

John

[Commodore]

After a melee, if an unit is "freed" by a destruction or a break of and still in contact corner to corner or flank to flank and not providing support, it can freely conform to the ennemy.
As the rule says, it is not a charge so, no furious charge, impact or javelin effects.
This movement occurs in the player mouvement phase, when the commanding general is activated and is an option, except for impetuous if no other ennemy is present or no charge is paid for.
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"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead"
Cdr Farragut,Mobile 1864

[flatsix518]

Thank you for the prompt reply.

One more clarification.

The two examples show conforming by using a quarter-turn or a slide.

Could a wheel be used to conform?

In particular, on p.55, in "conforming example #3" -- could either of those units conform by wheeling instead of sliding? I understand if that is allowed, flank attack benefits would not be gained -- but the attacker could force the direction of the melee...

Thanks again,

John

[Commodore]

You may use a quarter turn or a slide, it is a free CP move.
Normal contact rules are in force, including evasion and flanc/rear contact restrictions.
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"Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead"
Cdr Farragut,Mobile 1864

[flatsix518]

So wheels are NOT allowed to conform after melee, correct.

ONLY slides and turns.

Right?

Sorry -- I'm really anal-retentive...can't help it...

John

[Commodore]