Art De La Guerre

KevinD · Post� le: Ven Juin 13, 2025 5:52 pm Sujet du message: Stopping looting

1. If a general is in combat and rolls a 1 so can’t issue any orders to have his troops make any moves, can his troops roll to stop looting?

2. If you are looting a camp, roll a 4-6 to stop, but don’t then move them so remain in contact with the camp, are you still looting and need to roll a 4-6 to leave in the future?

Neep · Signifer Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 328

I read it as: roll to accept orders -> accept orders -> stop looting
So even a zero cost rally would stop looting. (Although it brings up the question of whether you can rally if you have no cohesion hits.)
But no order, looting continues.

Neep · Signifer Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 328

So if you are less than 4UD from the enemy camp, can you rally for free at 3-6?

SteveR · Signifer Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2018 Messages: 381

Huh? Sure he can roll. It wont do anything but if you want to see if you can roll a 4-6 who am I to stop you. Just say you are retroactively rolling for a water way

To be clear, the roll of 4-6 is to be able to issue an order to stop looting.

If you make that roll you may then issue an order.

If you fail that roll you may not

Under any circumstances if an order to stop looting is not given you do not stop looting. This is because you have not been ordered to stop looting.

I don't think you can "bank" the roll of 4-6 for use on a later turn.

Comprehensive?

(and I don't see where rallying has anything to do with this.)

Neep · Signifer Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 328

Rallying is an order.

The question about the effect of an (unlooted) camp is just a side track.

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Neep · Signifer Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 328

I would argue that it's more than 4UD from all enemies and it's not in melee "with an enemy". but clearly we are in coin toss territory. Very Happy

Nice catch BTW.

Dickstick · Post� le: Mer Juin 18, 2025 8:40 am Sujet du message:

The baggage is an enemy so in contact is within 4 ud.

Or are we looting friendly baggage now?
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Neep · Signifer Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 328

Once the baggage is successfully looted, it becomes an impassible bit of terrain. Except you are still in melee with it, which prevents your impetuous units from making uncontrolled charges (and being shot at?). That leaves the question of whether you can rally for 0CP moot because while you are in melee, you are not in melee with an enemy unit (page 55).
Now if the baggage is unlooted, it is "treated as an enemy unit" - page 66. But does that make it an enemy unit for the purpose of rallying, page 55? I suppose it does, though I'm always wary of treating the preambles as bullet points. Note that the first bullet (page 66) is pointless as you cannot make a 2d or 3d move within 4UD (page 34). The second bullet is either making an exception for impetuous mounted to treat fortified camps as "behind a fortification" or making an exception for impetuous foot to not treat fortified camps as "behind a fortification". Do looting units flee a flank march?

Nitpicking, I know... Very Happy

Dickstick · Post� le: Jeu Juin 19, 2025 8:40 pm Sujet du message:

You really do need to reread p66 looting the camp.
A lost camp does not cease to exist, it gives up victory points.
Looting units cannot do anything else (ie rally)
There is no cease looting order, one either continues looting or moves away.
The camp still attracts uncontrolled charges. Plenty of treasure for everyone .
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Neep · Signifer Inscrit le: 09 Jan 2023 Messages: 328

DS, I reread this and realized I had missed your last line.
Have to say I completely disagree. The last bullet seems pretty clear that the camp is no longer an enemy asset, but a terrain piece:

Ramses II · Post� le: Ven Juil 18, 2025 1:36 pm Sujet du message:

DS is correct. The third no p66 says

KevinD · Post� le: Ven Juil 18, 2025 2:01 pm Sujet du message:

Ramses I think you and DS disagree.

DS (and Steve Roper above more explicitly) say that you must issue the order the turn you roll the 4-6, you can’t roll it it turn X, “bank it” and then issue the order on turn X +1 without rolling again.

Ramses II · Post� le: Ven Juil 18, 2025 4:00 pm Sujet du message:

My bad, didn’t read these posts properly. Embarassed

That said, there doesn’t seem to be any restriction on testing to stop looting and banking the result.
Put another way, there doesn’t seem to be a constraint that forces the player to link a successful attempt to stop looting with an order to do something.

Given the limited times this will happen and the ‘usual’ position at this point in a game, is this a major issue ?? Smile

lionelrus · Post� le: Ven Juil 18, 2025 5:17 pm Sujet du message:

"Put another way, there doesn’t seem to be a constraint that forces the player to link a successful attempt to stop looting with an order to do something".

That's the point. Once the looting stopped, it stopped. It won't resume unless an order is given to the unit.
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