Art De La Guerre

[ALEXANDER]

On page 32 we can see a quarter-turn of warwagons from line to column.

But how is a quarter-turn from column to line done?

Is it the opposite as on the warwagon picture from line to column?

..or the same as on the second picture of page 32

..or a the players free to choose between the the 2 different methods?

[ALEXANDER]

In addition
Refering to the picture of the warwagon quarter turn

...is it also possible to move warwagon A to the left first
and then turn 90°to the right.
Then Warwagon B turns on the spot.
Both warwagon would still have their front to the right,
but would be positioned 1 UD to the Left.

[ALEXANDER]

These question might be of importance to warwagon (blades) that are in the Zoc of an enemy.

The warwagon must be able to turn without leaving the enemy Zoc

[lionelrus]

What is said by rules about wwg in zoc?
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[ALEXANDER]

Page 35 most threatening enemy
Second sentence.
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Page 38
Warwagons are restricted by enemy ZOC

Page 36
The only movement allowed in the ZoC
....is a quarter-turn in order to align to the most threatening enemy (without charging)

If a group of 2 warwagon blade (in column)
have an enemy (or even several) in their flank

How do the warwagons (blade) do a quarter-turn
to face the enemy in their flank
without possibly leaving the ZOC?

Depending on which rule of quarter-turning has to be used
there might always be a position for an enemy unit
to admit ANY warwagon movement.

For example (see the warwagon picture on Page 32)

If any enemy exerts his ZoC on the left (or rear) part of Warwagon A
Warwagon A cannot turn without leaving the ZoC of that enemy unit

[ALEXANDER]

I just thought...

..is a quarter-turn (like that turn shown on the picture) forbidden, if the warwagons are already in the frontal ZOC of an enemy LC?

[Zoltan]

@Alexander. What exactly is your specific question, concisely expressed in a single sentence please?

[SteveR]

Hi Alexander

A quarter turn, like that shown on page 32 would in my opinion be forbidden while in a ZOC.

The quarter turn must be done to better align with the enemy and if the enemy LC is in front of them that would not be the case.

Just as if a regular unit were facing the LH. A quarter turn would not make it more aligned so it cannot be done.

[ALEXANDER]

Hi Steve...
Yes. I thought the same.

This means in addition
That a warwagon (blade)
that is in the ZOC of an enemy unit with its rear part

......*W
LC...W

cannot move forward and cannot turn to align to that enemy.

as the warwagon has to turn with his front corner.*
Therefore the warwagon would leave the ZOC if trying to align

[SteveR]

Hi Alexander,

Although it is customary to make a turn based on the position of a corner this is not strictly speaking required by the rules.

Take a look at page 31 where a quarter turn is defined. It just says that the front edge ends up occupying the position of the side edge.

So in the case you bring up, and given the spirit of the rules to allow combat and not have units artificially frozen and given that a WWg with blades can initiate contact I think that the War Wagon could turn in this situation.

[Hazelbark]

[Hazelbark]

1st this is why you have LI nearby to break ZOC.

I t maybe possible to engineer where you a WWG cannot turn, but the key definition is the front edge moving its maximum to try to come into alignment. It more likely to constrain how the WWG turns rather than preventing. As Roper said, likely you can. The author by design wants WWG to be clunky to manuver.