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Dickstick
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Posté le: Ven Nov 05, 2021 4:38 pm Sujet du message: Longbow and stakes |
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Can English 100yw longbow (elite) get stakes from1415 like swordsmen longbow? |
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KevinD
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Posté le: Ven Nov 05, 2021 4:53 pm Sujet du message: |
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Dickstick a écrit: | Can English 100yw longbow (elite) get stakes from1415 like swordsmen longbow? |
No. Only MI Sw Longbow (Ordinary) can have stakes. The same is true for Free Company longbowmen. However in the WotR lists, the Retinue Archers can have stakes even when LMI Longbow Elite (or Ordinary).
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Za Otlichiye
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Posté le: Ven Nov 05, 2021 4:53 pm Sujet du message: |
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Well if they could not, one might expect to see Medium swordsmen longbow stakes 11 rather than Add stakes +1. |
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Dickstick
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Posté le: Ven Nov 05, 2021 5:11 pm Sujet du message: |
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[quote="Za Otlichiye"]Well if they could not, one might expect to see Medium swordsmen longbow stakes 11 rather than Add stakes +1.[/quote
This is how one makes stakes compulsory] rather than optional. _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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KevinD
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Posté le: Ven Nov 05, 2021 5:27 pm Sujet du message: |
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[quote="Dickstick"] Za Otlichiye a écrit: | Well if they could not, one might expect to see Medium swordsmen longbow stakes 11 rather than Add stakes +1.[/quote
This is how one makes stakes compulsory] rather than optional. |
Yes, look at the difference in how the English 100 YW archers are formatted and the War of the Roses Retinue Archers. |
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Za Otlichiye
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Posté le: Ven Nov 05, 2021 6:29 pm Sujet du message: |
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What I'm suggesting is:
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from 1415 4-12
Medium swordsmen longbow 10
Medium swordsmen longbow stakes 11
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This would be unambiguosly denying stakes to the LMI
The WotR listing does not deal with a date but does deal with all or none so I don't see the analogy.
[Come to think of it, this thread should probably be in the Army Lists folder.] |
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Dickstick
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Posté le: Ven Nov 05, 2021 7:32 pm Sujet du message: |
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See how it's written for French ordonnance and burgundian ordonnance. _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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Za Otlichiye
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Posté le: Ven Nov 05, 2021 7:55 pm Sujet du message: |
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It is certainly ambiguous and I don't pretend to know the answer. Clearly the structure in the Ordonnances is to make the pavises exclusive to the LMI (although presumably MI can't have them anyway). I don't see an easy way to say unambiguously from 1415 all the longbowmen can use stakes, other than a complete separate listing by date.
If I believed rules writing was technical in nature, I'd suggest better definitions. |
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Hazelbark
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Posté le: Ven Nov 05, 2021 8:21 pm Sujet du message: |
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Dickstick a écrit: | Can English 100yw longbow (elite) get stakes from1415 like swordsmen longbow? |
No.
There is a line separating options. |
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Dickstick
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Posté le: Ven Nov 05, 2021 9:51 pm Sujet du message: |
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Hazelbark a écrit: | Dickstick a écrit: | Can English 100yw longbow (elite) get stakes from1415 like swordsmen longbow? |
No.
There is a line separating options. |
I would agree. _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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