Art De La Guerre

[Dickstick]

So how long are you in melee?
Just for the melee phase or until someone picks another unit?
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[daveallen]

Normally, for units in one to one combat, that would be until one of four conditions is met

the unit routs;
it routs its opponent;
it disengages;
its opponent disengages.

With WWg there's a fifth condition

the phasing players turn ends and the next player decides differently.

Tricky things War Wagons

Dave
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[Dickstick]

From end of phasing players turn until next players melee phase what state are we in. Ie for the movement phase?
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[daveallen]

[Dickstick]

Yes Dave.
In the good old days everyone attacking someone to their front would be in melee. Now we have "main unit" as the only one in melee. Melee support are currently not in melee so cannot pursue (discussion elsewhere) (and not relevant to WWg as no flank to lock on to) plus good old support.

A good concept needing loose ends tied up.

Ah and the unchosen one is none of the above.
So if he is charged in flank he is not disordered as he is not in melee, fights flank attack with WWg to front counting as an enemy support. Then after fight turns to conform to flank with WWg still as enemy support.

Are melees fights now?
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[daveallen]

Teething troubles really. I was a bit late to V3 so didn't see this shaking out process.

It's strange that the bit in the WWg rule about two units fighting on the same flank was the same in V3, but we never noticed. And I used WWg more than most.

I think the DT are looking at WWgs now and with luck we should get some announcements soon.

Hopefully about Multiple Attacks thing too. Although there at least we know how it should be played.

About fights, it's tricky. I'm not sure if fights, attacks and combat are used as narrow concepts in the same way "in melee" is. I also wonder if there are the same distinctions in the French version and if they have slightly different meanings there. I think we'll find out soon enough, fingers crossed.

Dave
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[Dickstick]

Hope it has reached someones attention.

What is a WWg "side" for support?
Bullet point 6.
WWg only has front edges bp1.
Bp2 has "long edge" and "long side" for the same thing.
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[SteveR]

"What is a WWg "side" for support?"

I can answer that I think. If a WWG is in contact with any side on the side of a friendly unit AND the WWg corner is in contact with that unit's front corner AND it is not fighting anyone it counts as simple support.

Hard to say in words isn't it? That's why I dont write rules.

During obscenity debates in the US in the 60s of of the Supreme Court Justices said he could not define pornography but that " I know it when I see it"

Same thing with WWG support.

[Ramses II]

Dodging angels as I leap  , let me try a suggestion. I suspect you are overthinking this problem. 

The melee rules are based on calculating the combat factors, using conformation etc to define and clarify those units involved. Here, it is the fact that the WWG is two units wide that is causing the confusion; if it were replaced by two standard units, everything works since we would have two calculations. 

So, as I see it, the only change from the standard rules is that there is just a single melee calculation each turn between the WWG and a HI unit (of the phasing player’s choice). This may result in slightly different calculations each turn as noted, which would also be the if one HI were wounded and the other not. 

Once in melee, neither HI may respond to enemy charging their flank, and equally they do not conform etc. any more than the would in a normal melee. However the HI without Cav on it’s flank could choose to disengage, which would then return the melee to the more usual format . . . 

[Dickstick]

Any progress by the DT?
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