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Pyrrhus17
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MessagePosté le: Ven Mar 31, 2017 7:02 pm    Sujet du message: Pyrrhic Italian list Répondre en citant

1st corps CinC brilliant included
1 HC impact elite /with cinc
2 pikemen elite
2 pikemen ordinaty
2 elephants
2 light foot jav
2 saminites medium sw impact elite
2nd corps
1 HC impact elite/ wGen Competent
1 li sl
1 li bw
6 pikemen mediocre
3rd corp
2 HC /1 with ordinary gen
well that's is it the HC wing is to Run away don't know if this would work let me know if anything is Illegal .This is the only thing I could come up with .
I feel the rules are to restrictive in what troops are allowed to have generals . If it was limited to Core mandatory troops and certain specialist troops one choice to have your general in is very limiting . Very Happy
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MessagePosté le: Ven Mar 31, 2017 11:18 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Most people prefer to have their generals unattached. So the restrictions are usually moot.
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MessagePosté le: Sam Avr 01, 2017 4:37 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

True but at that my list goes from 22 stands to 21 . doesn't seem like a big deal every stand helps in this already limited list , when trying to make a Non Italian list with non included Generals you looking at 20 stands typically with four of those being LI. when looking at other helenistic armies Pyrrhic is given limited choice to boost stands .
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MessagePosté le: Sam Avr 01, 2017 7:48 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Ordinary pike and mediocre pike numbers must be the same.
Take both the Italian Light horse (one is compulsory )
Have two pike commands and an elephant command perhaps
You have too much for the brilliant commander to do.
Come on why not have Pyrrus as stratigest?
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MessagePosté le: Dim Avr 02, 2017 4:33 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Thanks yep I think the Italian is Meh and far too restrictive .Taking non included Generals Mixed with any of the versions of this list make it a 20 stand army at 200pts and a C grade list not something I would take to an open tourney .
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MessagePosté le: Dim Avr 02, 2017 6:54 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Having HC included generals is still problematic here, as they then can't move with the Pikemen they command (unless they spend extra pips for combining foot and mounted? - sorry, dont have my rules with me), meaning effectively the Generals pips in both of those commands are wasted. Asdding elephants to this mix in Command 1 exacerbates this issue further, as this command now takes 3 pips to move all of its elements even just once.

The integral generals will also find it tricky to 'bounce' between the pikemen to rally them in a prolonged melee (which is presumably part of what they are there to do?) as they will be forced to move between units by turning and wheeling and measuring move distances like a normal unit (as this is what they are). If they are independent they just move, with no deductions for turns and the like so can easily plug into the back of whoever needs their help to rally,

20 units is not really a game breaker, especially as so many of them a frontally tough 4 hit Heavy foot..
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MessagePosté le: Dim Avr 02, 2017 8:37 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Thanks for the input . I see what you mean with the generals . I really don't see what other people would take with this list . To be honest I really cant see how the standard Hellenistic could compete in an open tourney .I know other players use them with success but I never see battle reports . (except yours and Phils ) Very Happy
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MessagePosté le: Dim Avr 02, 2017 9:40 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Hello
I usually do Pyrrhus with:
1st corps:
Pyrrhus: Strategist
2 Heavy Cav impact elite
2 LI jav
2 elephant
2 MI impact elite

2nd corp:
general competent
4 Pike
2LI bow

3rd corp:
general competent
4 pike mediocre
2 LI sling
1 Middle cav
1 LH jav

so 199 pt, 22 units and +4 initiative.
the generals are NOT included as their role is to rally the pike when in melee. The two pike corps are meant to aim at the ennemy and advance as fast as possible, with the LI providing desorganisation if possible. The Cav and LH are posted on the flank and will preserve the flank of the pikes.
the Pyrrhus corps is meant to be the spearhead; each element can protect the others; the el is vulnerable to javelinmen but the Cav and MI can deal with them, the MI is vulnerable to mounted but the El can crush them, the Cav is vulnerable to HI, but the El and MI impact elite can destroy them...
they will move in 2 groups, with the LI in front of the El to protect them against shooting.
There is 14 first line unit (with 8 pike) wich is enough to be a threat to anything.
I usually play offensive, but with the third ambush provided by the Strategist, I can put some Cav in ambush and fool an incautiuos foe...
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MessagePosté le: Mar Avr 04, 2017 2:14 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Thanks for this Very Happy If you have any battle reports I'd love to read them . Laughing
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