Art De La Guerre

[ALEXANDER]

The following situation has accurred.
There is a group of 6 Hc impetuous
A Heavy Cavaly at the left flank is inside the zone of controll of a LC. at its corner

If the the group of Hc moves straight forword it would contact the LC at the corner
but almost all of the part front edge of the Hc would leave the Zoc.of this LC


If the Lc evades the group of Hc can try to get an additional UD and will be able to attack another enemy bowmen unit on their right flank, that has not been in charge distance at the beginning.

There direction of the Charge is not in any way meant to reach the Lc
but instead all the charge is only done to get the additional 1 UD
...to attack the bowmen

On Page 36 there is a picture at the top
Prohibition move in Zoc

Imagine unit B is the LC and unit B shift a little to be able to contact the corner of B.

On the picture at the Button
Advance in a ZOC
Unit A2 is not allowed to advance further
Because beyond that point a part of A2 front line leaves the Zoc.
It is allowed to move straiith forward and conform to B2

Is this kind of attack allowed if the direction of the Charge has no change of reaching the evading target
And the corner charge is just used to increase the charge distance to attack a second unit that is outside 4 UD

[lionelrus]

include a photo please, and what is the question?
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[ALEXANDER]

The question is...

Is there a difference betwwen
...advancing through a Zoc
and charging through a ZoC?

Its not allowed to pass through an Zoc
if parts of he frontline leaves the ZOC.

But it seems to be possible to cross a Zoc
if you charge at least the corner of an evading enemy

[ALEXANDER]

AA
.........1
......1

charge

.........1
AA1



I always though that the direction of a charge against light troop should have a chance of reaching the lights.

But now players seems to charge Lights just got get the additionsl 1 Ud to attack somebodx else.

I thought about this and I think there might be a problem with there rules that the direction of a charge cannot be changed once the charge has been declared

Imagine this
Unit A shifts 1 UD and charges unit 1

AA

........1
........1

Outcome

..............1
..............1

.....AA

Unit 1 evaded to its rear
Unit A has to continue its movement

[madaxeman]

I think you will find that you are completely on your own in seeing a by sort of problem here. 

Charges have “rolled up or rolled down” in every set of ancients rules since Phil Barker was in short trousers. It’s more widely accepted as a mechanism than using D6. It’s not going to change. 
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[Za Otlichiye]

Alexander, yes, it's all quite legal. If the defender is really worried about the HCv rolling up (1 in 6), they can always have the LH stand.
The direction of the charge is set first. If it cannot reach the LH, the LH does not have to evade, and it is illegal to move across the LH ZoC.
But if it can contact even on a corner, then the LH must evade, and there is no ZoC anymore, and the charge distance might increase.

This does mean that having light troops in front of your line will allow a charge to reach that otherwise could not. MadAxe would be better able to discuss how that works within the game philosophy.

[madaxeman]

[Hazelbark]