Art De La Guerre

Ballista · Légionaire Inscrit le: 15 Jan 2018 Messages: 117

Situation - LH charged in flank by impetuous MI
LH choose to evade
They turn away from the charge and must evade in that direction, not to their rear ?
There is difficult terrain about 2UD to their front when they do so

The question is: Do they stop when they reach the terrain as 2UD is their movement in difficult terrain?
Are they able to slide (won't clear terrain)
Are they able to wheel and run along edge of the terrain (keeping their normal movement distance of 5UD?

Thanks

Longtooth · Post� le: Dim F�v 27, 2022 7:29 am Sujet du message:

Hi Ballista,

The evade movement sequence on page 47 is pretty helpful.

With respect to your questions:

1. Yes. The LH must turn to the left or right if charged on their flank (see second bullet point under 1 - Evading Unit's Orientation)

2. Yes. The LH must stop on the edge of the terrain if it does not have enough movement rate to enter the terrain. Difficult / rough terrain does not comprise an 'obstacle' which means you are not allowed to slide or wheel to avoid it (refer to second case: evade blocked by an obstacle and 5 - evade move, both on page 48 ).

Jesse

Ballista · Légionaire Inscrit le: 15 Jan 2018 Messages: 117

Yes got the part about difficult terrain not being an obstacle so can't slide/wheel to try and pass it

Where does it say has to stop if movement distance exceeded/moved for terrain (I know it does just can't recall where it is)

As an aside what happens if a unit evading meets a friendly unit (over 1UD away ) it cannot interpenetrate - is it allowed to slide/wheel to try and pass ?

Longtooth · Post� le: Dim F�v 27, 2022 1:01 pm Sujet du message:

Movement allowance is described on Page 29.

The procedure for meeting new friends during an evade move is described on the very last paragraph of Page 48.

Za Otlichiye · Post� le: Dim F�v 27, 2022 3:27 pm Sujet du message:

The second bullet on page 48:

If the evading unit starts within one UD of rough or difficult terrain it cannot slide to avoid it, so must enter the terrain. Its movement distance is reduced accordingly.

can certainly be taken to imply that if it starts beyond one UD, it can slide to avoid rough or difficult terrain. And if it can slide, then it should be able to wheel too. I would say the question is moot.
(And within is incorrect. It should be less than.)

Longtooth · Post� le: Dim F�v 27, 2022 3:58 pm Sujet du message:

Za Otlichiye · Post� le: Dim F�v 27, 2022 4:20 pm Sujet du message:

Rough or difficult terrain is not considered an obstacle that blocks and therefore cancels evasion. But the rest of the rules appear to imply it's an obstacle which can be avoided. Where's my "completely bamboozled" emoticon? Smile

Ballista · Légionaire Inscrit le: 15 Jan 2018 Messages: 117

So friends it cannot interpenetrate would be considered an 'obstacle' ? - not how obstacles are defined on P67 ?

Yes there would be argument about starting beyond 1UD of rough/difficult terrain and then being able to slide/wheel to avoid it
(Reverse argument of starting within 1UD of rought/difficult terrain)

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1544

Za Otlichiye · Post� le: Lun F�v 28, 2022 10:08 pm Sujet du message:

Interesting point (now that I understand it Cool

).
Since you can cross a purchased obstacle, but with a movement penalty, I would presume it would be treated the same way as movement-penalizing terrain.
(What that treatment is, we are still arguing about.)

Mike Bennett · Post� le: Mar Mar 01, 2022 2:28 am Sujet du message:

If an evader is to allowed to change direction it might actually then be best to set up with terrain behind a unit to allow a change of direction out of the chargers path to guarantee a safe evade

The charger has to set direction at the start of the move and is not allowed to change to follow. A change of direction could therefore be a powerful tool to allow a slow moving evader to move out of the path of a faster chaser and thereby avoid being hit.

Za Otlichiye · Post� le: Mar Mar 01, 2022 2:45 am Sujet du message:

I believe the "deviate as little as possible" implies the evader should wheel back into to same direction as soon as the obstacle is cleared. Although that won't necessarily help the chargers catch them.

Longtooth · Post� le: Mar Mar 01, 2022 7:52 am Sujet du message:

Za Otlichiye · Post� le: Mar Mar 01, 2022 3:33 pm Sujet du message:

That thread is useful. Here's how it actually went down:

MC_Delicatessen asks the question.
Ramses II (DT member) says something
Mike Bennett objects and says no
daveallen says it's unclear
marco baroni introduces a clever alternative interpretation
Dickstick objects and says no
micheni says there is no consensus
Zoltan says there is consensus, no

Without disparaging either Mike Bennett's nor Dickstick's thinking, 2 out of 8 is hardly a quorum.

Decades in forums has taught me there is nothing that destroys good will faster than meta-discussion, so I will simply say let's stick to chattering about rules in the rules forum.

MC_Delicatessen · Auxiliaire Inscrit le: 30 Juil 2020 Messages: 87

The previous thread was crystal clear.

This forum is unfortunately packed with trolling. I think it is particularly alienating for new players. This forum could really do with some hard and fast moderation to cut out loads of the BS, in my humble opinion.

"To summarise what has already been answered in this thread:

1. No, an evading unit can not slide to avoid rough or difficult terrain.

2. No, rough or difficult terrain does NOT count as an obstacle.

3. Yes, an evader that has already moved the maximum permitted distance for the rough/difficult terrain stops in front that terrain and does not enter it."