Art De La Guerre

Longtooth · Signifer Inscrit le: 14 Oct 2014 Messages: 349 Localisation: Oxford

Imagine that a pike unit with included commander is in melee against an elephant. The elephant routs and rampages onto the pike.

Does this situation require the included commander to test for elimination? Page 28 says that included commanders must test when a 'unit loses cohesion in melee', but I would argue that the melee is over by the time the elephant flops over.

This actually came up twice in the same game on Saturday. In both cases, we agreed to roll the dice and argue only if a '1' came up, but it would be good to know for sure.

Jesse

kevinj · Post� le: Dim Jan 16, 2022 2:10 pm Sujet du message:

The rule specifies that , "If the unit to which the commander is engaged in combat loses cohesion for any reason, the opposing player rolls 1D6... " (P28 Col 1 Bullet 2)

P28, Col 1, Bullet 4 speciifes when the dice is rolled, the actual cohesion loss could have occurred in the movement phase, the melee or in melee resolution. There are other causes of cohesion loss in melee resolution such as a friendly unit being forced to rout through the commander's unit.

To me the logical sequence would be to complete all the rout and pursuit outcomes, then test for any commander who's unit has lost cohesion during the turn.

Longtooth · Post� le: Dim Jan 16, 2022 2:21 pm Sujet du message:

Thanks, Kevin,

That makes sense...

Jesse

KevinD · Post� le: Dim Jan 16, 2022 6:30 pm Sujet du message:

I never roll a six · Gladiateur Inscrit le: 07 Oct 2014 Messages: 39

Jesse, I think the point is that if a unit with an attached general suffers a cohesion loss while the unit is in melee, that triggers a test for possible commander loss. So, if in your example, your pike is fighting my elephant frontally, and during my movement phase, I hit your pike with a flanking unit, causing a cohesion hit on your pike unit, then even if you win that combat round and rout my elephant, you still take a test at the end of the turn because the cohesion hit for the flank contact took place before the melee was concluded.

In our game yesterday, you had one chance to kill my included (on an elephant) General and rolled a 1, and I had 3 chances to kill your attached generals in various combats and failed to roll a 1.

C'est la Guerre!

Longtooth · Post� le: Lun Jan 17, 2022 8:15 am Sujet du message:

Hi John,

I was not complaining. I think it's fair to say that I had more than my fair share of luck in our game Smile

Jesse

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1537