Art De La Guerre

[KevinD]

A few questions about revealing ambushes during the enemy movement phase.

1. Suppose the enemy comes up to 1 UD from my ambush marker, which is a real ambush, not a fake one. On p 77 the enemy stops, and if it’s a fake ambush the enemy can continue moving. However as it’s a real ambush, the ambushes are placed on the table. Can the enemy continue moving after this (obeying any ZOC restrictions from the discovered ambushes, if any)? I know the enemy can’t charge the ambushes with the moving group, but can the moving group keep moving?

2. Also, if the enemy has another group nearby, can these now charge the revealed ambushes?

3. Finally, the rules say you can reveal an ambush “as soon as an enemy unit is or comes within 4 UD of the marker”. So you can reveal when the enemy is exactly 4 UD or the first time they are within 4 UD. But can you reveal it later, say when the enemy is at 2 UD? Or is it a one time thing, reveal it when they are first at or within 4 UD or you can’t voluntarily reveal during the enemy’s movement?

(Assume none of these are part of unreliable commands.)

[Longtooth]

1. Yes, the enemy may continue moving. Although if the ambush is revealed by moving within one base width of the ambush marker, it is unlikely that you will be able to move very far.

2. Although the enemy unit / group that revealed the ambush is unable to charge the units that were in ambush, there is nothing stopping a nearby unit / group from doing so.

3. The rules say that ambushes can be revealed 'as soon as' a unit moves within 4UD of the ambush marker. In my mind, this means that the ambush may only be revealed when the enemy unit is 3.9999999 UD from the ambush marker. When moving near an ambush marker, I will often stop at 4UD and ask my opponent if they would like to reveal an ambush before moving any closer.

[Ramses II]

Agreed Longtooth. 

This was discussed at length in V3 here:-
http://www.artdelaguerre.fr/adlg/v3/forum/viewtopic.php?p=99792#99792

And the principles have not changed in V4.

[Dickstick]

Sorry Longtooth only troops finding dummy ambushes can continue to move. Others STOP as it says in the rules.

This wasn't written about in the v3 thread Ramses.
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[Za Otlichiye]

Well I just spent some time I should not have reading 3 pages of discussion. And apart from the usual suspects 'streping their 'tudes, got nothing out of it. Because it was completely inconclusive. No word or rumor of a word from the author or DT (Dylan Thomas?). Just the same argument being rehashed here.

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Ok, in fairness, it appears the v3 rule was as soon as an enemy unit comes within 4 UD whereas the v4 rule is as soon as an enemy unit is or comes within 4 UD, which would indicate the ambush does not have to be voluntarily revealed immediately at <4 UD.

[Ramses II]

[Ramses II]

[Longtooth]

Agreed

Agreed

[Dickstick]

[Hazelbark]

[Za Otlichiye]

If the enemy must stop at 1 UD for a mandatory reveal, must they also stop at 1 UD when they continue moving after a voluntary reveal? In other words, can the moving enemy put the ambushers into its ZoC?

[Ramses II]

[Hazelbark]

[Dickstick]

The Scots at Inverness earlier in the year objected to me trying to continue the move.

Snow whiskey held their view that stop means stop and that was it for the movement.
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[Ramses II]

I have checked with the oracle, who has confirmed that the ambush can be revealed at any point where enemy units are moving within 4UD to 1UD, and that once it is placed, the enemy movement can be completed. 

The intention is to allow the player to place his units before the movement of the ennemy can prevent it.
Then the ennemy can continue its move but it cannot attack.

The timing is tricky since the ennemy can therefore recoil after the ambush was revealed if it has enough movement.