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Janos Hunyadi
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MessagePosté le: Lun Fév 25, 2019 11:04 pm    Sujet du message: Conforming or charging Répondre en citant
A unit advances after destroying an opponent in melee, with an opponent either side

1) The following turn if it advanced 1 UD and turns 90 degrees, this is a conformation or charge ?

2) If it stepped forward half a UD and wheels then charges, is this a conformation or charge ?
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 26, 2019 9:08 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Janos Hunyadi a écrit:
A unit advances after destroying an opponent in melee, with an opponent either side

1) The following turn if it advanced 1 UD and turns 90 degrees, this is a conformation or charge ?

2) If it stepped forward half a UD and wheels then charges, is this a conformation or charge ?


p50. Charge Definition, 2nd paragraph. A unit that starts it's movement in contact with an enemy (eg only by a corner) cannot charge it but can move into melee with it by simply conforming

There are still quite a lot of benefits for attacking a flank, but in the case of a 'conform' the benefits associated with a "charge" do not apply
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 26, 2019 2:21 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
ah ok thank, so corner or side edge contact no charge bonus
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 26, 2019 6:53 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
So if a unit’s side, rear or corner is already in contact with an enemy unit edge or corner, it can NEVER charge it; it is ALWAYS a conformation (without charge benefits)?

The conform will always cost pip(s) except where the enemy pursued into the unit?
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 26, 2019 7:11 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
conformation is free
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 26, 2019 8:49 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
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conformation is free

Conformation is free only if the unit is not already in a position to provide support - see page 55 'Conforming after melee' para 1+2.
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 26, 2019 10:22 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Agreed Alan  
  1. As Madaxeman and others say, if a unit is already in contact with an enemy it may not ‘charge’. As such it does not have Impact etc.

  2. Where the unit is the only unit in contact with the enemy, then the unit can conform. If there is another unit already “in melee†(ie in front edge contact), even if that occurred during the current movement phase, then the player must use CP to move the unit - even if the movement brings it “into melee†with the unit it is touching (ie the equivalent of a conformation movement).

  3. Conformation is free. It is a rules mechanic used to adjust the position of a unit and put it into front edge contact with an enemy unit; ie to set up a melee with that enemy.

The order that units are moved into contact with the enemy is up to the player, but can alter the situation and cost CP. In an extreme case, Pike in side contact may get a free Conformation or may be required to use 2CP to achieve the same result. 
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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 26, 2019 11:12 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Ramses II a écrit:

[*]Conformation is free. It is a rules mechanic used to adjust the position of a unit and put it into front edge contact with an enemy unit; ie to set up a melee with that enemy.[/list]
The order that units are moved into contact with the enemy is up to the player, but can alter the situation and cost CP. In an extreme case, Pike in side contact may get a free Conformation or may be required to use 2CP to achieve the same result. 


Could you please explain further why in the pike side contact example it may get a fee conformation or a conformation may cost 2 CP to achieve the same result (seems odd)?
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MessagePosté le: Mer Fév 27, 2019 1:19 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
See the FAQ p16, third diagram which illustrates this exact situation.

Consider this position, where impetuous enemy "X" has just destroyed a friendly unit and pursued in side to side contact with pikes "P", while there is also a unit of MI "M" that can charge the front of "X".

XP

M

If "M" is moved into contact (a charge, since X is not fighting) then it would cost 2CP to turn the Pikes "P" to face the flank of "X".
However, If "P" conforms first that is free, and potentially if "M" is within 1UD of "X", it could also move for free.

Now there may be in-game reasons for changing the order of their moves or indeed for P and M to advance elsewhere, but this is why the order of moves is critical in this particular case. And yes, it does seem a tad odd, but that is the "rules as written" and amplified by the FAQ. Wink



The point is that Conformation brings two units into a position where a melee will be resolved. The timing of the Conformation is in the FAQ, and includes this position which has occurred “after a melee†- it is the only way that a unit may find itself in contact with an enemy that is not already fighting.

Moving a different unit into front edge contact initiates a melee leaving the existing unit “in supportâ€, and is effectively the same position as if it had been moved there in a previous turn, which would need CP to turn to face. 
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MessagePosté le: Mer Fév 27, 2019 11:59 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
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conformation is free

Conformation is free only if the unit is not already in a position to provide support - see page 55 'Conforming after melee' para 1+2.

Absolulty, but if he is in position to provide support, then the opponant is already in melee and so charging is not permitted.
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MessagePosté le: Mer Fév 27, 2019 12:02 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Ramses II a écrit:
Agreed Alan  [list=1][*]

[*]Where the unit is the only unit in contact with the enemy, then the unit can conform. If there is another unit already “in melee†(ie in front edge contact), even if that occurred during the current movement phase, then the player must use CP to move the unit - even if the movement brings it “into melee†with the unit it is touching (ie the equivalent of a conformation movement).

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This is not exact. You may having 2 unit in contact in both sides and no more unit in the front. So being the only unit in contact is not need to gain free conformation.
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