Korik
Archer
Inscrit le: 19 Juil 2018 Messages: 58
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Posté le: Jeu Sep 27, 2018 8:26 pm Sujet du message: Long pointy sticks v. Cavalry |
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Read the latest FAQ commentary around medium spears and cavalry, and it's quite clear
However, I'm trying to tie the interpretation given in the FAQ into the rules and I'm struggling a bit
Starting with the playsheet:
Both types of spear (medium/heavy) and pike, under 'Basic factors and modifiers', get impact against mounted (except nellies), so this is one of their prime attributes when receiving a mounted charge
Spears and Pike are flagged as * which interprets as 'Cancels impact of mounted...' so, again, this confirms the prime attribute
In the 'Abilities' section, under 'Impact', it says impact of foot troops never applies if foot charge mounted or if mounted have impact (unless impact of mounted is cancelled by spearmen [I've always read this as '...and pike'])
If you put these together, spears and pike cancel mounted impact and so should always get impact if standing to receive a mounted charge to their front (again, except against elephants)
However, in the body of the rules (page 17), second bullet under 'Impact' states impact of foot troops does not apply against mounted troops with impact ability when mounted charge foot
That seems fine where impact mounted charge, for example, legionaries, who are impact foot, but surely any mounted charge against spears/pike must be subject to the foot's base ability of cancelling mounted impact, thus enabling the spear/pike impact
The third bullet covers heavy spear and pike specifically retaining their impact against a mounted charge, but why are medium spears removed from this consideration when they share the same attribute of cancelling mounted impact?
The FAQ refers to page 17, but, from my reading, page 17 contradicts the very clear and quite specific provision given on the play sheet
Dernière édition par Korik le Ven Sep 28, 2018 8:07 am; édité 2 fois |
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madaxeman
Magister Militum
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Localisation: Londres Centraal.
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Posté le: Jeu Sep 27, 2018 9:38 pm Sujet du message: |
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There’s a typo on the play sheet _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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Korik
Archer
Inscrit le: 19 Juil 2018 Messages: 58
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Posté le: Sam Sep 29, 2018 10:21 am Sujet du message: |
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Which particular typo are we looking at? _________________ Korik |
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fdunadan
Tribun
Inscrit le: 12 Juin 2009 Messages: 978
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Posté le: Sam Sep 29, 2018 3:50 pm Sujet du message: |
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The play sheet is much less precise than the rules and the FAQ. It's just a reminder with little space and so makes no subtle distinction between HI and MI. _________________ Audentes fortuna iuvat. |
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Korik
Archer
Inscrit le: 19 Juil 2018 Messages: 58
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Posté le: Sam Sep 29, 2018 9:26 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yeah, appreciate that QRF are merely aide memoires and that the main body of the rules should take precedence but this one was obviously considered of significant importance to be included in the FAQ
So, if there was enough space on the QRF, the side bar section on impact should read:
+1bonus factor in 1st melee round when in melee on front edge (see * for spear/pike v. cavalry). Foot impact N/A if foot charge mounted or mounted have impact (unless mounted impact cancelled by heavy spear/pike). Impact never counts v elephants
The 'Basic factor and modifiers' section for medium pike should presumably be read as 'Impact v. mounted except impact/El
Think that covers it _________________ Korik |
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Maverick2909
Légionaire
Inscrit le: 01 Juil 2017 Messages: 103
Localisation: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posté le: Lun Oct 01, 2018 12:57 am Sujet du message: |
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Wow I actually never knew this! We usually just play off the quick reference sheet and have been playing where MI spear get impact vs mounted... This makes MI spear that much worse! And to think they cost 7 points... |
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AlanCutner
Tribun
Inscrit le: 03 Nov 2014 Messages: 711
Localisation: Scotland
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Posté le: Lun Oct 01, 2018 3:49 pm Sujet du message: |
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The alternate QRF has it correct. |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2015 Messages: 1160
Localisation: London
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Posté le: Jeu Oct 04, 2018 1:10 pm Sujet du message: |
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Also check out the FAQ here which covers MI spear against mounted. |
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