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L9000 · Post� le: Jeu Sep 13, 2018 2:38 pm Sujet du message: Road and Coastline

I have a simple rules question. If there is a Coastline present is it possible to have a road end at the coastline ? Or does it have to curve to exit another table edge? (assuming there is no village)

Commodore · Post� le: Jeu Sep 13, 2018 3:48 pm Sujet du message:

no the road has to turn toward the table long edge
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Karstjager · Post� le: Jeu Sep 13, 2018 6:46 pm Sujet du message:

Why has the road to turn toward the table long edge? Confused

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Dickstick · Post� le: Jeu Sep 13, 2018 10:11 pm Sujet du message:

P68
Road must link two table edges or table edge and village.

If you ask about the entirely 2 UD from long table edge and coast for camp placement you will get no answer.
Probably because no one thought of it when the 2 UD rule was added
A Nelsons blind eye?

As written one cannot pick a road if a coastal zone without a village is selected.
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Ramses II · Post� le: Ven Sep 14, 2018 12:48 am Sujet du message:

Dickstick · Post� le: Ven Sep 14, 2018 9:17 am Sujet du message:

P68
"The placement of the road is up to the player but if a road is placed along the table long edge it must be placed entirely 2 UD away from this table edge in order to allow placement of the camp. "

So to bend a road by / near a coastal zone takes its path into the deployment zone of the camp.
As a camp cannot be placed over a road as p69 this restricts the camps choice of placement.

Normally this is self inflicted but depending on how other terrain lands could be used by opponent to stop a camp hiding amongst terrain.

It's not a big issue but more of a niggle requiring umpire time again and again.
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Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1534

If a player is attempting to use a road to prevent the dpeloyment of an enemy camp then the player should be banned.

WRG introduced so much hate into gaming.

fdunadan · Tribun Inscrit le: 12 Juin 2009 Messages: 978

And road are not that large... event if the road is alongside the coastal zone, you can nevertheless put your camp 2 UD away and not adjacent to the coast

If the opponent try to place the road to prevent the placement of your camp, he must leave a 2 UD band with the long side of table, so still plenty of space for a camp.
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Dickstick · Post� le: Dim Sep 16, 2018 8:49 pm Sujet du message:

So how far from the coast do you bend it into the camp deployment area.?
What is acceptable?
Rules say zero if one understands the meaning of the word "entirely ".
French I spoke to didn't
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Ramses II · Post� le: Dim Sep 16, 2018 9:38 pm Sujet du message:

If we were to apply the "2 UD rule" strictly, that would prevent a player from laying a road that went from one long edge to the other, or indeed from using any part of a long edge, which I do not believe is the intent. That said, It is also clear the "2 UD rule" is intended to prevent players from using the road to restrict the deployment of a camp - so placing a straight road from a short edge that meets the long table edge at a shallow angle should be prohibited.

Perhaps we need to amend the "2 UD rule" to be

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1534

I beleive that would legalistically solve a problem that mostly isn't a problem.

You are sort of saying a raod cannot be diagonal in the first two UD of the board fwiw.

I reallly don't think think this needs a rule. A statement of intent somehwere even forum maybe.

AlanCutner · Post� le: Lun Sep 17, 2018 3:39 pm Sujet du message:

Or just amend the rules to state a camp can be placed on a road - which would seem reasonable anyway.