Art De La Guerre

AlanCutner · Tribun Inscrit le: 03 Nov 2014 Messages: 710 Localisation: Scotland

A unit charges straight forwards. In front of it is an enemy Light Cavalry with a Heavy Cavalry 1UD further back. Both are within reach of the charging unit. Are both of them 'target units' or just the Light Cavalry? If only the LC is a target unit and it evades I assume the charger would have to roll a variable move distance, and possibly not reach the heavy cavalry.

ethan · Signifer Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 347

I think the FAQ has this covered.

Evade adjusted movement distance
Q : Page 40; what constitutes “all targets of a charge” for the purposes of a charging unit needing to roll an
adjusted move distance ?
A : When you declare a charge, you must specify the target and this must be in charge range. If all the
targets in charge range (ie the movement distance) evades, then you must adjust the movement distance
by rolling a dice. If the initial targets cannot evade, you don’t need to adjust the movement distance.
Example : you have a group of HI at 2 UD distance from HI enemy units, with LI enemy units in
between the two groups. If you charge the enemy HI units you don’t need to adjust the move distance
even if all LI evade.

AlanCutner · Post� le: Mar Sep 11, 2018 9:01 pm Sujet du message:

So in my example (LC in front of HC) there are three possibilities
1. The LC are declared as the target. If the LC evade the charger rolls for a variable move, and may contact the HC.
2. The HC are declared as the target. If the LC evade the charger hits the HC without a variable move.
3. The HC are declared as the target. If the LC don't evade they are hit by the charger, and the HC are unaffected.

Is this correct?

ethan · Signifer Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 347

I believe you can do the following:

Declare only the LC as a target. It evades you roll variable. You can stop after moving 2UD or go up to the full variable distance (possibly contacting the HC behind).

Declare the LC as a target and the HC as a target (this is functionally the same as declaring the HC as a target). Both are in charge range so after the LC evades you just contact the HC. This is the same as the example from the FAQ.

AlanCutner · Post� le: Mar Sep 11, 2018 9:39 pm Sujet du message:

So just to be clear, it is possible to declare a charge on something you might not contact, eg the HC if the LC don't evade.

Ramses II · Post� le: Mar Sep 11, 2018 9:44 pm Sujet du message:

Correct Ethan.
There are effectively two scenarios here :

You declare the HC (and LC) as the target since they are both within the normal move distance. Both 'targets' then have the option of evading or standing still. Should they not evade, the chargers will contact the nearest unit.
The targets evade, revealing another unit, and the chargers throw high on their adjusted movement which would bring them into contact with this new unit. In this case the new target may also choose to evade even though it was not one of the original targets

madaxeman · Post� le: Mer Sep 12, 2018 8:19 am Sujet du message:

brothercrow · Barbare Inscrit le: 09 Nov 2017 Messages: 28

Tim, that is my interpretation as well...with the 'Illegal Contact' provisio on page 52 so that Light Cavalry or Light Infantry can't clatter into the front of Heavy troops when chasing away skirmishers (unless you are a Light Horse with Impact of course!).

Graeme,
Durham.

Ballista · Légionaire Inscrit le: 15 Jan 2018 Messages: 117

So how would this apply if the enemy HC did not have to be charged - eg Say impetuous MI/HI charge LH who evade but they do not have to charge the HC ?

brothercrow · Barbare Inscrit le: 09 Nov 2017 Messages: 28

It would be the units choice to charge - he doesn't have to charge any mounted impetuously if he is foot. If he chooses to charge, that's his problem!

Also see the box at the top of page 42, an Impetuous HI unit facing LI will not have to make an impetuous charge if there is a mounted unit behind the LI within 3UD (it's potential full move distance).

Graeme,
Durham

fdunadan · Tribun Inscrit le: 12 Juin 2009 Messages: 978

Yes, the impetuous foot are not impetuous versus mounted, so it(s the player choice to charge or not. If there is a unit (even HCav, Kn or El) in the path of the charge and at distance (2UD if heavy or 3 UD if medium), then the unit must make contact: since impetuous troops must make a full move if they charge.

The variable roll is made only if all potentials target evade.
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Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1534

AlanCutner · Post� le: Mer Sep 12, 2018 4:30 pm Sujet du message:

This leaves us with two interpretations - Ethan and Tim. The difference is whether you can declare a charge on just the nearest enemy units rather than all units in range.

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1534

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1534