Art De La Guerre

[Hazelbark]

So for ease of previous basing pikes are (15mm) 40mmx15mm 2 deep is 40x30.

However page 8 says

"either the appropriate depth or one UD deep"


then Pikemen
"the 3rd and 4th ranks form an integral part of the base of the unit, but may be removed temporarily if they impede the movement of the unit"
The diagram shows no Pike on a 40x30 base,

I have always played, the 3rd/4th base is for looks just pull it out of the way if it ever matter. i.e. 40x30 works, however I am rebasing many to 40x40 in any case because they are so much more pleasant.

However I was recently challenged on this and wanted to now what people think the rules actually say because they aren't written actually to say it doesn't matter.

So a unit of pike played with three bases, if nearly all of the 3rd base is still in rough, is the pike unit in rough for combat?
I have previously played...not.
But after being challenged on a strict reading....

thoughts?

[madaxeman]

Isn’t there a bit in the rulesthat says you can base 40x40, but if it would disadvantage you, consider it as per the vanilla rules?
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[Mad Max]

the "dimensions of the bases" in the detail and additional explanations of the "rules" option on the ADLG website is quite clear : the table page 7 is the rule to decide what the bases should be.
This bit "dimensions of the bases" will answer all your questions.
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[Black Prince]

I have based my pikes on 40x40mm bases and they work very well in games.

[Hazelbark]

[Dickstick]

Neither
40mm x 40mm
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[Hazelbark]

[lionelrus]

using 3 dbm bases for pikes may be a problem when rear of unit is in rought or difficult going, but this is uncommon. Many french umpires use then a 40x40 base to see if the unit is in penalising terrains or not. Before that, some players using 3 dbm bases for a unit of pikes used to use a rule saying the 3rd base may be removed, i don't know if this is still in the rules.
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[Hazelbark]

[Dickstick]

40mm.
"If they impede the movement of the unit"
Impede in the sense of slow down is pushing the fact that the pike are still there.
Impede in the sense of figures climbing on top of each other in an ungraceful manner fits the removal of excessive pretty figures. Or just plain getting in the way.
Three ranks of DBX overhang 1UD base by 5mm (four by 20mm ) so a pike base turning to flank while next to its friend either removes 1or 2 ranks of figures temporarily as per page 8 above the basing diagram.
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[Viking709]

So your saying 40mm is the correct depth for pike even though the chart says 30mm for heavy foot

[Dickstick]

Yes
Pike are heavy foot but are further defined for basing as diagram page 8 and rule section above the diagram.
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[Hazelbark]

Thank you. That is the debate.

We had fallen into another practice that seldom mattered. Then it did. Hence the repeated "are you sure" because while I think you are right, we fell out of that practice.

I have been rebasing my phalanx on 40x40 and will happily continue to do so.