Art De La Guerre

[Hazelbark]

After one unit disengages. May the unit formerly in support conform for free in that same turn? p 55 implies it might.

XA
_B

Where X is fighting A with B supporting A. A disengages. Leaving:

X___A
_B

Can B now immediately conform in for free.

The FAQ does not seem to address this as the last bullet of conforming leaves p55 intact. The issue seems to be to many, is the conforming only permitted as the situation stands at the beginning of the turn. Or can circumstances like the disengage take effect in mid turn.

[Commodore]

A conformation can occurs after a break off/ disengage move ( ref p 55 first para : conformation after melee, 1st line).
So unit A can disengage and then unit B can conform for free ( or has to if impetuous).
As a conformation, it is not a charge and there is no evade move from X
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[gregfilip]

Page 55 second para says ..the enemy unit that is contacted CAN evade if allowed.

[Commodore]

[Zoltan]

A disengaging unit must move its full move minus 1 UD to its rear. So unless A is HI (full move of 2UD minus 1UD equals a disengage move of 1UD) surely a disengage move will result in B no longer being in any contact with A? B has to be in contact with A in order to conform for free.

Of course if A is indeed HI, then B will still be in corner to corner contact with A (after A's disengage of 1UD), so B would be entitled to continue the melee by conforming for free.

[daveallen]

Hi Zoltan

I think you misinterpreted the op. A & B are on the same side  

Dave
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[Zoltan]

[daveallen]

It's A that disengages, so no. 
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[Ramses II]

This is a question about the timing of events in the game and the consequences of that timing.

It is the start of the turn of player AB. If B had destroyed an enemy in the previous melee and A was not there, then B would permitted to choose to 'conform after a melee' on X for free. So far so good.

The question is whether, if A disengages, is B still allowed to 'conform' for free? Or, since the movement phase has started, whether the player has to pay 1CP to move B into position?
(Note, this would not constitute a 'charge' since B starts in contact, nor is it free as X is not in the ZoC of B).

I agree with Zoltan that to 'continue a melee' the unit has to 'conform after the melee' - effectively without interruption, so while A may disengage from X allowing B to move across, that does not continue the melee, is therefore not a 'conformation', and thus not free.

[daveallen]

See Commodore's reply above. Also, first line of paragraph page 55:

"After a rout or disengage move..."

So yes, B can conform. At no cost. 

Dave
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[Ramses II]

Hmm, well that changes my perception of the FAQ on the Timing of Conformation slightly.

I thought 'Conformation' took place between phases, considering the previous three bullets in the FAQ ('just after movement', 'just after melee', 'just after pursuit') and the title of this paragraph "Conforming after melee" which takes place in the following movement phase.
What we are effectively saying is that "Conforming after a Melee" can happen at any point during the movement phase, not just at the start!


This seems to go against the intention of the FAQ, but let's leave it at that for now.

[daveallen]

I think you were reading the FAQ wrongly. 

Page 13 of FAQ

Timing of conformation, 4th bp says:

"In the movement phase of the player's turn..."

Nothing about "at the beginning of."

It also says:

"This conformation replaces the charge..."

Which implies that like a charge it can happen whenever the player wants. 

Dave
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[Ramses II]

Like I said, I was reading the 4th bullet in the context of the other three bullets, and the title of the paragraph to which that bullet referred.

But hey, as long as we can all agree to play this way then that’s fine.

I’m just a bit puzzled, that’s all. Let’s leave it for now, ok!

[Zoltan]

OK I get it now. The phasing player wants to employ a wheeze of swapping out it's fighting unit (presumably because it is damaged or an inferior fighter) and replacing it with the supporting unit.

[daveallen]

Yes, but more importantly than the cunning wheeze, it illustrates that you can choose when/if this kind of conform happens in the movement phase. 
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