Art De La Guerre

[Nightingale87]

Yes...another question...forgive my ignorance!...and thanks in advance.

I know that a unit only jav, impact, furious charge (not armour and 2hw) to its front. So if it is attacked only by another unit on its own flank, it cant claim those abilities.

But my question is: If it is charged on the front and flank, does it use its abilities against the unit in the front???


Thank u!

[Ramses II]

No. 
If you check p57, you will find that “when a unit is attacked on its flank or rear it loses these abilities”. The FAQ explains that this applies even if the flank attacker is LI. 

And, to your specific point, this applies to a “melee”. Remember, a melee is usually being fought between the units that are face to face, the flank attack just distracts the target depriving it of these abilities.
The only time a melee is not face to face is when a unit only has an enemy on its flank, and after one round of melee (assuming it is still around) it will turn to face that enemy. Even here, the target still loses the abilities when attacked in the flank. 

[Nightingale87]

Got it!

Thanks

[gregfilip]

[Ramses II]

[Nightingale87]

so can the li choose to stay and fight?

[plefebvre]

[Ramses II]

In the right circumstances, yes. 

Remember, p52 stipulates that LI may charge a target in rough or difficult terrain that is (various conditions)

If the unit that the LI was supporting gets destroyed leaving the LI on its own, the enemy will turn to fight the LI.

Since the LI is in terrain, it is not automatically destroyed and can choose to fight or evade. Indeed under some situations, the LI could actually be at an advantage - though at only 2 cohesion points against 3 or 4 in the enemy unit, it will have to win big and avoid adverse dice rolls

[gregfilip]

[Ramses II]

Umm you are now mixing up a lot of different things here

The original question was where the LI unit is supporting the melee on the flank. 
If the main unit in the melee is destroyed, the enemy would normally pursue forwards (sliding along the face of the LI). Turning to face the LI is not a pursuit. 

The FAQ covers various aspects of evades and LI being moved away from heavier units in these situations, and also where they are blocked. I suggest taking some time and units, and working through a few examples carefully to understand the way these situations pan out. 

2) These are two different definitions.

• LI being displaced through interpenetration during movement is considered to be an ‘adjustment’.
  So for example some infantry can move through LI displacing them, and then the LI can move elsewhere
• The FAQ states that displacing a unit through Conformation replaces the move of that unit (so can be considered to be a form of movement by that unit)
  Here, if the infantry charged through the LI to contact the enemy, the LI would not be allowed to moved. The LI start the turn in the ZoC of the enemy, so their only legitimate move would be to exit the ZoC first to the rear before the other unit charges. 

[gregfilip]

Thnx ramses .point 2 is clear I
My question concerned displace during conformation as per page 53 I should had written it more clearly .
During movement I know it's an adjustment.

IN the LI example .
If the opponent destroys it's frontal compat unit my LI in contact with its flank must break contact right?.So the opponent will pursue alongside LI front.
That's what I forgot I think .that LI must break contact.

[Ramses II]

Like I said originally, the LI may not need to break contact if it is in terrain. So the answer is - it depends on circumstances

However, you are correct that if the LI is forced to break contact, then the victorious enemy may pursue (assuming it is the player’s phase etc), and yes it will effectively move across the original facing of the LI. 

If the LI is not forced to break contact, then the unit must turn to face the LI. At that point the LI may choose to evade or stand and fight. 

[Nightingale87]

Going back to the original question. IF a unit of spearmen is attacked on the front by mounted enemy, and at the same time hit on the flank by an enemy unit. Does the cavalry unit lose the impact? and does the spear unit get its impact?

Another question (in the same line): Non impetuous HI deny impact of impetuous inf they fight to their front. So lets say that HI on blue team is fighting HI impetuous from Red team (front o front) but at the same time is charged on the flank by red team MI. Does the HI lose its "ability" to cancel impact of impetuous? is that even an ability?

[Hazelbark]

[Nightingale87]

Got it on the first one...

Im gonna rephrase the second question:

Lets say a HI (swordsmen) is being charged on the front by Impetuous foot, and at the same time on the flank by anything else. Do impetuos foot get +1 for impetuous or not?