Art De La Guerre

[daveallen]

Once again, page 34 "Movements allowed in a ZoC" b.p.2 says a unit in or entering a ZoC is permitted to:

[fdunadan]

No, it can't
As Red is in the Zoc of Blue, it can't manoeuver as in open ground. The Wheel and turns are limited to achieve a better alignement withthe ZoCing enemy unit. So Red can only Wheel until its front is parrallele with the front of Blue. It can then charge straight ahead or stop moving, but it can't continue moving because of Blue's ZoC.
If there is a Bowmen on the left, they're safe as Blue's ZoC protect them...
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[daveallen]

[fdunadan]

When you"re in ZoC, you can:
- charge the ennemy
-align with the front of the ennemy by a Wheel or a turn
-move(straight ahead) closer to the ennemy front
in this moves can't you end being less aligned than you were at the beginning (so no 90° Wheel) nor can you exit the ZoC

The ZoC is restricting the movements so you can't just ignore it and go walzing where you want.
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[daveallen]

[Zoltan]

How were you materially disadvantaged by having your understanding ruled against at the Worlds?

Did it make a material outcome to this simple, fast game?

What sneaky advantage were you trying to achieve that saw you slapped down twice?

[daveallen]

[Dickstick]

[quote="Zoltan"]How were you materially disadvantaged by having your understanding ruled against at the Worlds?

Did it make a material outcome to this simple, fast game?

What sneaky advantage were you trying to achieve that saw you slapped down twice?[/quote]

Now I read Dave was the victim.
Your making him out to be the perpetrator?

The sneaky one is hardly likely to ask the question, more likely to want the opposition to be ignorant.
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[Zoltan]

In the second example, why would Pink want to wheel 90 degrees (within blue's ZOC) before making contact with Blue, rather than simply charging straight ahead and contacting blue? What was Pink's motivation/purpose in wanting to make a 90 degree wheel within Blue's ZOC when a move straight ahead would achieve contact?

[daveallen]

Imagine Blue is providing support to a unit to it's left. If the Red unit is only allowed to wheel until it is parallel to blue it will remove the support when Blue evades, but no more.

If it's allowed to wheel beyond parallel it can hit the unit Blue was supporting and then conform to support its own colleague.

Also, a charge at parallel would have left it isolated and vulnerable to units behind Blue's line.

The situation was something like:


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[Zoltan]

That's a lot more info, and much better context, compared with the original post diagram.

I don't have my rule book with me but:
- because Blue will evade before Red charges, the ZOC restrictions will disappear. So Red will not be constrained by any ZOC rules when deciding how to make it's charge move
- isn't Red permitted to shift up to one base width sideways either at the start or end of the charge so that it can run down the side of the Blue unit still in contact with the other Red unit?
- Red only has to charge a minimum distance if all opponents evade. From the diagram it looks to me that if Red doesn't go its maximum charge distance it might be able to end up in side to side contact with the Blue unit still in contact to its front, and thus provide support.

[daveallen]

Now try reading my second post.

Then consider that the decision to evade comes after the declaration of the charge and its direction, not before it. So the ZoC rule can't simply be ignored in the way you suggest.
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[Ramses II]

Hmm, I would suggest that the charge must be declared in a valid direction, as constrained by the rules. For example, i do not think it could be declared 90 degrees left, missing the blue unit altogether.

If the charge must comply with the rules, I suggest it must be declared due south against the unit which is ZoCing it, complying with the requirement to align with that unit. If that unit evades (as was apparently the case) then the only enemy that can be contacted must lie directly beyond the evaders, not to one side.

But this is not the first time that our views may be at variance from those of the author or French community.

[plefebvre]

[Ramses II]

Ok, thanks. It's good to know that we agree on the answer.