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Glen
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MessagePosté le: Lun Mai 29, 2017 4:00 am    Sujet du message: ZOC Question Répondre en citant
Had a scenario come up that I am not quite sure of the answer for.

I will use the picture on page 51 of the rule book to try and explain the situation, its called "Types of Contact"

The units "A" and C1 and C2 are relevant, all others can be ignored, in our scenario A is slightly further back.

Opposite C1 and C2 are a group of three enemies, I will call them E2, E1 and E0.

Enemy E2 is aligned and opposite with C2 Enemy E1 is aligned with C1 and E0 is largely opposite unit A.

The enemies charge C1 and C2 with E2 and E1 being a straight ahead unambiguous charge....

E0 wants to end up in support of E1 and could do so without contacting unit A, as there is sufficient space to do so.

However E0 does end up in the ZoC of the unit A before reaching an overlap support position. Can unit E0 do this and ignore the ZoC, given that E0 has gotten closer to unit A or does it have to split off its charge in order to align with unit A

Cheers Glen.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Mai 29, 2017 10:54 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
E0 can provide support if all rules about moving in ZOC are respected. You a just to check all of these to see if it's OK or not.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Mai 29, 2017 12:17 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Yup. Look at the diagram on p34. Once the unit enters a ZoC it must respect that Zoc, even if it enters another ZoC by doing so.
This means moving closer to that unit, moving into contact and conforming (charging) or aligning with it (wheel, turn etc).
In your case, this will result in either
- E0 moving closer to A (though diagonally across its front) ending its move in support against C1 or
- E0 contacting A and conforming with it while the other units continue into contact with C1 and C2. At that point E1 and E2 cannot conform and displace E0 as is in melee, so (p54) C1 and C2 conform in their turn.

The one thing E0 cannot do is to move its front edge completely through the ZoC of A.
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Glen
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MessagePosté le: Mer Mai 31, 2017 4:30 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Well A is slightly further back in our scenario, so E0 could contact A without having to displace anything, allowing E1 and E2 to conform on their charge.

I don't see how this can be an "either scenario" Is E0 allowed to move across the zoc of A, provided it gets closer or not? In effect ignoring the zoc of A.

Does it come down to the interpretation on page 34, second bullet point "Advance, make a wheel, a quarter-turn or a half-turn in order to align with the most threatening enemy, move closer to it or charge it."

In this scenario the unit doesn't align with unit A at all even though this is the only ZoC in question. If it continues on the same alignment through the zoc and ends closer to the unit that is causing the Zoc, then has it both fulfilled its obligation to be closer and not having changed direction, maintained the same alignment?
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