Art De La Guerre

[Viking709]

Had this come up today and although we thought we got it right, we could not find the rule
Spear unit is charged by hvy Cav impact frontally and on the flank. The spearmen drop a cohesion and basic factor drops to a zero. Enters combat at a -1. The hvy Cav is a zero against hvy foot and get a +1 for support of flanking unit but thought they would not get impact as they were still fighting spear frontally

[Commodore]

The cavalry keep its impact as a flank or rear contact unit does not cancel any more any capabilities (p57 1st para, 4th bullet )
odds are , spearmen -1, cavalry 0+1(impact)+1flank support net +3 for cavalry with furious charge
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[footslogger]

[ethan]

Note that cavalry get an extra +1 when attacking HI in the flank/rear.

[PHGamer]

I would have thought otherwise, but it looks like the spear unit still cancels the impact of frontal mounted despite being hit in the flank as well.I have checked the 2016 addenda for this. So it looks like the numbers are as follows:
Heavy Spear Base 0 (having a unit on the flank) -1 disordered for a total of -1
Heavy Cavalry +0 vs Heavy Infantry, + 1 support, for a total of +1 with furious charge
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Phil
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[Commodore]

[footslogger]

[PHGamer]

"p57 bullet 3 does not say that the impact of the cavalry on the front is cancelled, at least in the English edition. That only applies against cav attacking a flank or rear. "

I agree here. Just so we are working from the same script, page 57 bullet 3, the English edition reads (italics mine), "The unit cannot cancel the abilities of enemies that are in melee against its flanks or its rear (e.g. troops with impact cancelling the javelin ability or spearmen cancelling the impact ability of mounted units)

This does not say anything about cancelling the abilities of enemies to its front.
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Phil
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[Commodore]

[lionelrus]

Well, in fact a SPEARMEN fighting on flank or rear don't cancel CV impact anymore.
But, if the CV is contacted by front and rear (or flank) the main ennemy (unité principale P50 french rulebook, I can't translate ) is the unit contacting his front. So, as the spear is fighting on his own front, he cancels CV impact.
SO
SP contacted by front and rear= basic facteur drop to 0 and 1disorder, so -1 for HIM.
CV fighting on front with one overlap, base factor 0, no impact but +1 for overlap.
So +2 for CV, furious charge applies.
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[lionelrus]

Une binouse a qui traduit ma devise en anglais!
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[Hazelbark]

I agree with Lionel's reading.

[lionelrus]

[footslogger]

[Commodore]