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MessagePosté le: Sam Nov 19, 2016 1:10 am    Sujet du message: Some questions Répondre en citant
I umpired my groups first ADLG game last night, I have to say all the conditional modifiers for melee did my head in. I realise after a few games it becomes clearer but starting out it was tough. I have a couple of questions.

1. Can heavy artillery be deployed in a field? Is it disordered?

2. Armour, If the knight with heavy armour looses the die roll it adds in armour if it is fighting medium swordsmen with no armour does it add +2 to the die roll even if the result would end up higher than the swordsman's die roll?

3. Impact cav versus heavy spearmen how does the impact factors work?

Is there a flow chart that explains when all the conditional factor get added in.
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MessagePosté le: Sam Nov 19, 2016 7:33 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Hi
answers :
1/ I think no forbidden terrain for heavy artillery but i have to investigate
2/ it is it is only a +1 if the knight score less than its opponent as it has an heavier armor. It is different on shooting were protectin is added to the target die roll
3/ the heavy spearmen cancel CAV impact impact capacity and has impact against charging mounted troops (except elephant). Heavy spearmen +1 , + 1 for the impact against mounted sot +2. For the cav it is 0 (againts HI front) + 0 (no impact) total 0. So a +2/0 but the cav keep the furious charge capacity.
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MessagePosté le: Sam Nov 19, 2016 12:21 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
On the artillery, the rule is that you may not deploy in terrain that the unit cannot enter. So artillery may deploy in Rough (fields in this case), but not in Difficult terrain.

Also, terrain does not cause disorder by itself, though it may disadvantage a unit that is fighting in it.

Finally there is no flow chart for the process.
In my experience it is best to do the following:-
  1. Determine the factors of each unit in a given combat.
  2. Resolve those as a single number giving advantage to one or other side, and throw the dice relative to that number.
  3. Determine which unit has won / lost or drawn
  4. Consider post combat modifiers that may apply to draws or the losing unit
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MessagePosté le: Sam Nov 19, 2016 6:12 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
You may want to look at the FAQ that you can download as a pdf.

there are some points clarified there.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Nov 20, 2016 1:55 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Why in the FAQ example of Medium Spearmen fighting impact cav does it shows.
the spearmen with no impact and the cavalry with the impact cancelled by the spearmen. The factors should be inf +2 and cav +1?
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MessagePosté le: Dim Nov 20, 2016 8:28 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Black Prince a écrit:
Why in the FAQ example of Medium Spearmen fighting impact cav does it shows.
the spearmen with no impact and the cavalry with the impact cancelled by the spearmen. The factors should be inf +2 and cav +1?


In that case;

- spearmen = +1 against all, no impact bonus against mouted when receiving charge (p17 3rd bullet) and cancel the CV impact total +1
- CV = + 1 against MI + 0 for the impact cancelled by spearmen and + 0 for the 1st turn bonus against MI as CV is impact total + 1
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MessagePosté le: Dim Nov 20, 2016 9:42 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
So on the quick reference sheet where it says Medium Spearmen impact against mounted except Elephants is wrong?
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MessagePosté le: Dim Nov 20, 2016 1:20 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Commodore a écrit:

In that case;

- spearmen = +1 against all, no impact bonus against mouted when receiving charge (p17 3rd bullet) and cancel the CV impact total +1
- CV = + 1 against MI + 0 for the impact cancelled by spearmen and + 0 for the 1st turn bonus against MI as CV is impact total + 1


To go through it all.
Spearmen cancel mounted impact and have impact v mounted, except elephants. pg 20.
But,
pg 17, foot do not get impact v mounted if they charge (bullet 1),
foot impact does not apply v charging impact mounted (bullet 2),
except Heavy spearmen and Pike keep impact if charged by mounted (bullet 3).

So to sum up. Spearmen receiving cancel impact, but Mediums only get impact when charged by mounted who are not impact.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Nov 21, 2016 5:40 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Thanks I have got it now.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Nov 21, 2016 1:48 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant
Regarding the question about artillery :

"No unit can be deployed in a terrain in which it cannot move, unless it is on a road "(page 72)

Consequently :
-you can deploy heavy or mobile artillery in difficult terrain only if it is on a road.
-you can deploy mobile artillery in rough terrain, even out of a road.
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