Art De La Guerre

[ecnomus]

First, excuse for my poor english.

Our question is the following:

A unit is in open terrain.
An enemy unit is within 1 UD distance.
The enemy is located in a bad terrain for our unit. For example, a Cv in open against a MI in a plantation.

I am not sure about rules and ZOC in this case.

Can the CV exert ZOC against the MI in this kind of terrain?
Or the MI is not ZOCed because this terrain penalize CV in combat?

Thanks in advance.
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Ecnomus

[plefebvre]

No ZOC for Cv into bad terrain even if it is located outside this terrain.
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patrick lefebvre

"sic transit gloria mundi"

[JohnTheBoring]

Page 35. A unit does not have a zone of control if it is in terrain that penalises it in combat.

The CV has a ZOC because it is in the open. The MI have a ZOC because they do not have a combat penalty in rough.

So the CV ZOC extends into the plantation to affect the MI.

For an example of why the MI should be careful perhaps watch the opening battle in Gladiator? If Russell Crowe can charge cavalry through woods....

[Ramses II]

The exceptions to ZOC are listed on P35, and include the following:-

• A unit does not exert a ZOC when in terrain that penalises it during combat.
  (my emphasis)

Since neither unit is actually in terrain that penalises it, they both exert a ZOC over their opponent.



NOTE
Under these circumstances, the Cv may exit the enemy ZOC but the MI will be penalised if it attempts to exit the enemy ZOC (see p34).

[JohnTheBoring]

[plefebvre]

I just checked the english version of the rules and i m afraid there is a "lost in translation effect" on that matter. For the initial french text is " une unite n'exerce pas de zone de controle dans ou a partir d'un terrain qui la pénalise au combat" . As far as my english is good enough i think that english translation can arise some misunderstanding because the french preposition "dans" means both "in" or "into" in english. I suppose the proper wording could be "a unit does not exert a ZoC in, into or from a terrain that penalises it during combat"
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patrick lefebvre

"sic transit gloria mundi"

[plefebvre]

I am sorry not to be a native speaker and i hope my explanations are clear enough. 😉
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patrick lefebvre

"sic transit gloria mundi"

[ecnomus]

Thank you very much for your answers.

We have found the main effect in Spanish rules.
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Ecnomus

[Ramses II]

Very clear Patrick. Evidently the wording of that particular exception in the book is missing the expression "from" as well.

Something else for the FAQ?

[belinconnux]

ce qui me rappelle un Tintin 'le sceptre d'Ottokar?). Là les anglais sont allés chercher la traduction d'une règle française dans sa version espagnole!
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Hasta la victoria Siempre!
Peter Lord dobeul impact

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