Art De La Guerre

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1537

In the English translation some have suggested the wording is not clear for commands

Must they be
ABC

or can they be behind one another

AB
C

and does the rule change at 300 points with 4 commands?

lionelrus · Post� le: Lun Sep 14, 2015 11:52 am Sujet du message:

they must be a b c.
or abcd if 4 commands
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Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1537

Thank you. No matter how often I tell people, they want to disagree. I think it is because the English translation used a slightly less precise word when a it should have been precise.

JohnTheBoring · Post� le: Mar Sep 15, 2015 8:41 am Sujet du message:

If you want one behind the other then on the first move advance the one you want in front, then turn the other in a group and march behind it.

If all the troops in the command can move in the same group with the general you should always be able to move at least twice, and usually three times.

Ramses II · Post� le: Mar Sep 15, 2015 7:37 pm Sujet du message:

Following on from the above, a slightly different question;

Where a command is entirely deployed in ambush, can you deploy another command directly behind it?

Commodore · Post� le: Mer Sep 16, 2015 8:43 am Sujet du message:

Ramses II · Post� le: Mer Sep 16, 2015 10:24 am Sujet du message:

According to P70, Ambushes may be placed anywhere up to 5UD from their own table edge, and up to halfway on each flank sector. This give a wide latitude for placing them, and more importantly for placement issues.

P71 2nd para requires all commands to be placed "in a rectangular zone" which must not overlap other commands. However, where a command is entirely in Ambush, I presume this constraint only applies to the placement of the ambush markers relative to the other command.

Consequently it seems quite possible to end up with the deployed ambush at least partly in in front of one or both other commands.

lionelrus · Post� le: Mer Sep 16, 2015 2:45 pm Sujet du message:

no, the deplyment limitation is apllying even if the command is in ambush.
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Ramses II · Post� le: Mer Sep 16, 2015 3:38 pm Sujet du message:

With respect, how can this un-written constraint be enforced when deploying the ambush, especially as the other on-table command(s) are likely to have moved?

lionelrus · Post� le: Jeu Sep 17, 2015 3:37 pm Sujet du message:

Ramses II · Post� le: Jeu Sep 17, 2015 9:58 pm Sujet du message:

Ok, thanks for explaining further. I understand the sense of what you explain, that ambushes are part of a command, and that each command is deployed in a separate zone that must not overlap the next one.

Even so, I do feel that this could easily lead to the kind of disputes anticipated in the "Game etiquette" section.

lionelrus · Post� le: Ven Sep 18, 2015 2:05 pm Sujet du message:

The disputes usualy don't come from rules, but from unfair players. They can snafuing even a game of heads and tail.
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