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Ramses II

The definition of Groups says that a Group must remain intact from the start to the end of a move.
Does this mean that a given Group must remain intact for the entire movement phase (over several moves), or can the units be split up / joined into different Groups for the second and third moves during the movement phase?

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1537

So we asked this question early on and the French players told us page 10, 3rd paragraph is where they must be moved all together with no drop offs or pick ups based on the word "activation".

so you can't cease activating part of a group or activate a new group until you have finished who you have already activated.

Ramses II · Post� le: Sam Ao� 29, 2015 8:20 pm Sujet du message:

I am not sure that helps. Perhaps I can give an example.
There are several units set up like this, with units CCC separated from the others

AAABBB . . . . . . . CCC

Assuming that AAABBB start and complete their move more than 4U from the enemy while moving to CCC, can BBBCCC form a new group and make a separate move (which also ends more than 4U from the enemy)?

move #1 - Join them together >. . . . . . . . AAABBBCCC
move #2 - different group moves >. . . . . . . .AAA . . . BBBCCC

According to p10 3rd para, Groups can be formed and dispersed at will during the movement phase. The point is that AAABBB activate and move together, keeping as a single group for their move. Then BBBCCC activate and move together as a group also keeping together as a group during the separate move.

Does that make more sense?

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1537

I get your point. But we have been told no. Based in part on what comes after the sentence you cite.

Since AB were activated together. B cannot be activated later without A.

Ramses II · Post� le: Dim Ao� 30, 2015 10:06 am Sujet du message:

Could this be a case of 'lost in translation' either when the English version of the rules were set up, or when discussing this question? The definitions of 'a move' and 'the movement phase' seem pretty clear, but are easily confused during translation.

plefebvre · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 30 D�c 2009 Messages: 1166

Ramses II · Post� le: Dim Ao� 30, 2015 3:30 pm Sujet du message:

Thanks Patrick, both for your kind reply and for confirming my understanding that units may form different groups for each move made during the movement phase, provided each group remains intact for any given move.

plefebvre · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 30 D�c 2009 Messages: 1166

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1537

This is different than what other French players have said.

Will send to the FAQ.

Wagmestre · Post� le: Mar Sep 01, 2015 7:05 pm Sujet du message:

Ramses II · Post� le: Jeu Sep 03, 2015 3:27 pm Sujet du message:

How interesting Wagmestre, and many thanks for your informative reply. Your solution does achieve the same result, but it does so in a different way that avoids the initial question. Using your interpretation, the question becomes

"can BBBCCC move as a single group for one pip after they have joined together?"And I believe you agree that they can.

hcaille · Post� le: Jeu Sep 03, 2015 5:13 pm Sujet du message:

Hello

Groups can be formed and dispersed at will during the movement phase.

[..] units must form a group both at the beginning and at the end of their movement.

So assume that you have 3 units A, B and C and all moves are more than 4 UD from the enemy.

For 1 CP you can activate A&B as a group (provided they already form a group at the beginning of the move).

Then if you move A&B against C to form a group, you can spend another CP to move B & C together for a second movement in the movement phase.
You can also spend another CP to move A alone to an other direction.

Is it clear ?

Hazelbark · Magister Militum Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1537

Very clear. We got mislead by some Frenchman answering differently 7 months ago. We should have demanded El Kreator.

Thank you.

daveallen · Post� le: Mer Sep 20, 2017 1:30 pm Sujet du message:

Just found this thread thanks to some discussion at the club.

I think it needs to be highlighted because it is not a natural reading of the rule.

Dickstick · Post� le: Jeu Sep 21, 2017 3:06 pm Sujet du message:

Unit A will need the general to be with it at all times and will normally require 2 cp to do third move as a difficult move. There are some unit types eg cavalry that it will be 1 cp, but in practice most units wanting to do a third move will be infantry.
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