Art De La Guerre

[Hazelbark]

Is there a list in the rules of which terrain blocks LOS?

This came up on another table tonight and I can't find. It is inferred in the Shooting and terrain rules. The closest I can come is finding the ambush references.

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[Longtooth]

I think that gentle or steep hills are the only terrain types that actually block line of site (see page 64).

[belinconnux]

forest, plantations and villages too.
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[Hazelbark]

I agree those are logical, but is there a list in the rules?

[Longtooth]

When I read through the terrain descriptions on Page 64 this morning, hills were the only terrain feature that specifically mentioned LOS.

As you are able to see (and shoot at) units within a wood, it would be odd for units hiding behind that very same terrain feature to be out of sight (unless there was a rule stating that you could only shoot at units within x number base widths of the wood edge).

[Hazelbark]

So what provoked this on another table was an artillery unit.

This appear to mean an artillery unit can be behind a wood and not be restricted in its LOS.

That doesn't seem right.

[JLouis]

Hi all,

here is my opinion.
p 47: Line of sight "to shoot, a unit must be able to see his target and trace...lines. These lines must not cross any obstacle: terrain that blocks LoS, ..units..""

p. 63: "certain types of terrrain block visibility and allow troop to hide in them". In this case, you can place an ambush.

terrain blocks visibilty if you can place an ambush in this.. In terrain description (p 64, 65), and then in "terrain table" display (p 65), you can find that crest hill, wood, plantation, village block visibility.

* don't forget that a unit is always seen at the distance of 1 UD from its position (p.63). So in a wood, bowmen range is 1 UD.

* take care that elephants stay visible in plantations and village.

* brush, field, marsh, dunes block visibility for LI. (but not for heavier units)

* gully is particular, you can consider it as a reverse hill.

[Hazelbark]

I sort of agree that the ambush question of LOS is part of the answer, but far from decisive.

Does Brush block LOS is no LI is involved?
Does artillery on an elephant mean it can shoot through a plantation.
Does if the target is an elephant can LOS be traced to it through a plantation?

This is not a giant issue.
I think the simplest would be and FAQ that said units beyond (list terrain) have LOS blocked for shooting purposes.

[belinconnux]

There is a form of logical ... but I agree with about FAQ. Just a table with:
terrain - what type of unit can ambush - block LOS
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Peter Lord dobeul impact

[Longtooth]

Found it!

Page 48 (Terrain cover and fortifications) says the following:

If the two units are separated by more than on UD of terrain that gives cover (in a wood for example) shooting is not possible.

Looking on page 65, that means that plantations, woods, villages, and hills block line of sight.

[Hazelbark]

[SHAKALL]

Hi all,

Considering the last post:

LOS is blocked by a distance superior to 1 unit when on the same slope?

LOS is not blocked when the troops are seperated by the hill crest ?