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lionelrus
Magister Militum
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Localisation: paris
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Posté le: Lun Avr 10, 2017 7:16 pm Sujet du message: |
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plefebvre a écrit: | It was my pleasure ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
you had du bol , it is gonflant. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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Ramses II
Magister Militum
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Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2015 Messages: 1160
Localisation: London
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Posté le: Lun Avr 10, 2017 8:51 pm Sujet du message: |
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The key to this debate is the timing of the movement of the different units.
In effect, the first unit moving into Contact with the enemy unit is deemed to be "charging", at which point that enemy is considered to be "in melee".
Being "in melee" allows other units to be moved "into support", including Light troops which could not otherwise contact that enemy. The one proviso is that these light troops may not be permitted to move into contact with the front edge of the enemy where the initial contact was made on the enemy's flank or rear (they would be deemed to be the 'main' unit fighting the enemy).
IMO the FAQ is still a little unclear on this key aspect, and could possibly be improved. |
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madaxeman
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Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2014 Messages: 1476
Localisation: Londres Centraal.
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Posté le: Mar Avr 11, 2017 3:20 am Sujet du message: |
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I get it too, now
I see how the rules and FAQ support it (but the English version could maybe be more clear)
I'm still not convinced it's is "a good thing", as it creates a (corner case) additional capability for LI that sits rather outside their normal role, so complicates the rules fir very little benefit, but hey... ![Wink](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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Prussianhussaruk
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Posté le: Mar Avr 11, 2017 6:56 pm Sujet du message: |
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The draw back I can see, is this supporting LI would not be allowed to evade if charged while still providing support.
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plefebvre
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Mar Avr 11, 2017 8:40 pm Sujet du message: |
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No, it cannnot. Because if a unit is attacking an enemy's flank, then this unit is engaged in melee (for it is contacting enemy wirth it's front). Consequently it cannot evade if charged. _________________ patrick lefebvre
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Viking709
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Posté le: Jeu Avr 13, 2017 8:42 pm Sujet du message: |
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I see it now. As long as the LI are coming in as support and therefore not charging, they can hit the enemy in the flank with their front edge |
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plefebvre
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Viking709 a écrit: | I see it now. As long as the LI are coming in as support and therefore not charging, they can hit the enemy in the flank with their front edge |
Definitly, yes !!!! ![Smile](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) _________________ patrick lefebvre
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Kal5056
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Inscrit le: 26 Mar 2017 Messages: 17
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Posté le: Sam Avr 15, 2017 2:14 pm Sujet du message: |
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Isn't there a difference between moving into support. (Side edge or corner to corner) with a unit already frontally engaged and charging the flank or rear of the same?
I thought the rules allowed light infantry to move into support of heavier units in the open but not charge into contact with them.
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daveallen
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Inscrit le: 28 Jan 2016 Messages: 742
Localisation: Rugby & CLWC
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Posté le: Sam Avr 15, 2017 3:10 pm Sujet du message: |
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One of the difficulties we've been having here is that in almost every other set of rules the only way the light infantry could engage in the melee is through a charge.
In ADG once a melee has started fresh units can join in by simple moves to support and this can include front to flank and front to rear contact from appropriate positions. The charge restrictions do not apply.
It's worth going through the thread with the rule book and FAQs in hand.
Dave _________________ Putting the ink into incompetence |
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Hazelbark
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Dave, Very apt comments.
I tell people it is more like a computer game or real life that there are not all these discreet actions but once melee joins it becomes a blob of soldiers struggling very grimly for survival. |
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