Art De La Guerre

[Mark G Fry]

Just checking to ensure we played this correctly the other evening.

6 x Light Horse bow - two ranks deep (so 3 base widths across) - front rank are Elite - back rank Ordinary (not that that effects the question).
There is only 1 target enemy unit (a MF unit) to the front of the whole Light Horse formation and all 3 front rank LH are within range & 'arc' (e.g. 1 UD to the side).

Were we correct that the central LH in the front rank, as the main shooter, gets +1 support from each of the two side LH bow (as these are each supported themselves -so count as a 'whole' support) as per page 59 shooting overhead, + the +1 support from the Ordinary LH to its rear.

Or - as per Page 58 (Shooting Resolution) only the 3 front rank LH bow elite + the Ordinary LH bow to the rear of the main shooter would count, as Page 58 states: "For each supporting unit (max +3) +1" ?

It only makes a +1 difference - but often that is enough to get the casualty

Many thanks
Mark

[lionelrus]

Correct, you are!
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[KevinD]

Six LC firing at the enemy is -1 (LC shooting) +1 (2nd LC) +1 (3rd and 4th LC) +1 (5th and 6th LC) for a total of +2. Maybe another +1 for Elite who roll 1, 2 or 3.

Note that the front rank LC do not shoot one base width to either side, but rather 360 degrees as LC have a unique way of figuring out which units are in arc.

[Neep]

Strickly speaking, all 6 are shooting, one main from the front rank and the other five in support. As they are all LH they count 1/2 rounded up so 5/2 rounded up or +3. So total -1(LH shooting)+3(support) or +2 to an Elite boosted die. The general rule changed by a specific rule is typical of AdlG. Tread lightly.

[Mark G Fry]

[KevinD]

The max support is +3, not 3 units.

The rules on p 58 say that max (modifier);is “+3” - clearly this +3 refers to a modifier and not number of modifying units as you can speak about +3 to a modifier not would not refer to 3 modifying units as +3, you would say 3 units instead.

Thus to me it is clear that 5 of more light units firing in support give the primary shooter a +3 modifier.

I would also refer you to page 59 where it discusses four supporting light units (although admittedly not five or more such supporting units). This does however oreserve the distinction between the modifier and the number of supporting units.

[Mark G Fry]

[Mark G Fry]

Please note that the outcome of this rules query is being 'contested' on the French Rules Forum thread.

It would be good to have an official ruling please.

Many thanks
Mark

[Neep]

There is an obvious error on page 59. Shooting overhead, 5th bullet, last line:

[Ramses II]

Guys, I agree with Lionelrus on the French forum.

Assume the diagram represents a block of six LC arc 

ABC
DEF

If units A and C were missing, the three units in the rear would still provide support because D and F are in corner contact and aligned (facing in exactly the same direction) with unit B. (P59)

This definition is slightly different from that of units in a group which must be in contact with adjacent units of the group by their lateral or frontal edges and with one corner of their frontal edge. (P10)

So a maximum of six LC can shoot at a single target, one shooting and five supporting giving +3. 

[Mark G Fry]

[ALEXANDER]

I am not convinced

Imagine this group ABCDEF shooting at enemies 123

123

ABC
DEF

A and C are MC bow!!
B and DEF are Lc bow

A and C would shoot at their oponents 1 and 3
AND
B would shoot with a +2 bonus for 3 supporting units

[KevinD]

Alexander, D & F can’t shoot as LC can only shooter over other LC they are behind, not MC. See the last bullet on p 59. Or so I see it.

[lionelrus]

[Ramses II]