Art De La Guerre

[Richard Young]

I hadn't realised the correct implications of this rule when it came up at Roll Call today, playing against one of the French players:

My heavy knight impact elite is charged frontally by a heavy cavalry impact/bow elite. My opponent then moves a light infantry into flank contact with the knight. I always thought that the knight kept the impact versus the cavalry when receiving a charge on its front, but no. Apparently, any unit that contacts a flank denies that unit its impact! So, combat is:

Cavalry +1, impact +1, support +1. Total = 3
Knight +2 - impact doesn't count as also hit on flank on same turn . Total = 2.

Naturally he then rolls a 6 and I roll a 1 (I was on the wrong end of these 8 times today as per usual; and on the right side twice but only when shooting grrrr)

That's how they play it in France anyway. A useful rule to remember.

Cheers
Richard

[Viking709]

I did not think light infantry could contact battle troops (except artillery, scythed chariots and elephants) in the flank unless they were in terrain pg 52 contact restrictions

[plefebvre]

No problem with understanding the rules, for:
-Li can contact enemy in open terrain to provide support (page 52)
- When a unit is attacked on its flank or rear, even by light troops, impact,javelin,2hw and missile support abilities are cancelled (page57)
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[Viking709]

Not to split hairs but in order to contact the flank of a battle troop with the front edge of a LI would be charge as opposed to corner to corner or side edge to side edge contact for support.

[madaxeman]

I think you may have been diddled - simply being French does not necessarily mean you have perfect understanding of all of the rules...

The LI would have to be "in melee" against the flank or rear to cause these effects (p57) and I'm not entirely convinced that someone who cannot "charge" but who moves into support is "in melee".

It looks like a technical translation question for what El Kreator means in the difference between "charged", "contacted" and "melee".
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[daveallen]

I don't think we need to trouble El Kreator about this.

Page 52 is clear that the only troops LI can charge in the open are LI, LH, Ele, ScyCh and the camp. It's so clear that I don't think there's any chance of mistranslation.

We all forget the odd rule in the heat of the game, but there's no excuse for a 1-6

Dave
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[lionelrus]

[madaxeman]

[plefebvre]

[lionelrus]

[daveallen]

Lionel,

either you are wrong or the rules are wrong.

[lionelrus]

Well.
At first it must be understood the melee engagement is not complusorying a charge. Knowing this, a citation must be full :
P 52 "some unit are not attended....conditions" followed by " LI can only charge a unit etc.." 4th bullet.
So there is condtions to engage melee, and as you can read in the 4 first bullets the restriction only concern charging. As providing a support is not a charge, LI may engage in mellee without charging.
So, the consequences are, by exemple a opponent may contact the LI by a non charge move, as LI is considerd in mellee. If this ennemy is not light troop, the Li is immediatly destroyed because he can't evade.
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[plefebvre]

[daveallen]

Okay, I get it now

Dave
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[plefebvre]

It was my pleasure
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