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Posté le: Sam Juil 02, 2022 3:55 am Sujet du message: Can one spontaneous charge into support? |
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The preamble states:
Citation: | When a unit is very close to the enemy it can decide to charge or contact the enemy without any orders. |
Does this mean one can move into simple or melee support as "contact"? - The bullet points all refer to charging.
Note: I assume you can move into support as part of a group charge where a neighboring unit goes into melee with the target. I'm asking if you can move into an ongoing melee as a "spontaneous charge". |
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KevinD
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Posté le: Sam Juil 02, 2022 4:58 am Sujet du message: |
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I think so, if the enemy starts of in your ZOC, but this will often not be the case. |
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Posté le: Sam Juil 02, 2022 8:09 am Sujet du message: |
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Please read pages 45 and 46. There is even an example that answers your question.
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Posté le: Sam Juil 02, 2022 2:21 pm Sujet du message: |
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Jesse, my question is about spontaneous charges. |
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Longtooth
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Posté le: Sam Juil 02, 2022 6:30 pm Sujet du message: |
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My bad
As long as the enemy is in your zoc you should be able to 'spontaneously' move into support.
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Sam Juil 02, 2022 7:36 pm Sujet du message: |
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Longtooth a écrit: | My bad
As long as the enemy is in your zoc you should be able to 'spontaneously' move into support.
Jesse |
It's right. official DT answer. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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Mike Bennett
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Posté le: Dim Juil 03, 2022 12:42 pm Sujet du message: |
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Longtooth a écrit: | Please read pages 45 and 46. There is even an example that answers your question.
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I can see examples that refer to uncontrolled charges by impetuous troops, but none that cover spontaneous charges by any unit with an enemy in its ZoC |
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Posté le: Dim Juil 03, 2022 12:51 pm Sujet du message: |
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lionelrus a écrit: | Longtooth a écrit: | My bad
As long as the enemy is in your zoc you should be able to 'spontaneously' move into support.
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It's right. official DT answer. |
Great, thanks for the clarifications. Will this be covered by the faq as the rules are contradictory. Pg44 spontaneous charges the openning paragraph talks about "...to charge or contact enemy..." but the title and all of the bullet points only mention charges. Pg42 special cases, moves to support are not a charge |
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Dim Juil 03, 2022 6:51 pm Sujet du message: |
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"to charge and contact ennemies" is clear enought, Faq is not needed. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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Hazelbark
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Posté le: Dim Juil 03, 2022 9:49 pm Sujet du message: |
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lionelrus a écrit: | "to charge and contact ennemies" is clear enought, Faq is not needed. |
c'est Bon. |
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SteveR
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Posté le: Lun Juil 04, 2022 2:13 pm Sujet du message: |
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That is clear enough - let me ask a related question.
In this situation the spontaneously charging unit can also slide along the enemy per the first bullet on page 41 "sliding along the enemy"
So it has two options. Charge the most threatening enemy, or stop short and instead provide support for its friend.
When making this spontaneous charge may it advance slightly and provide simple side edge to side edge support for its friend or must it stop at corner to corner contact? |
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Lun Juil 04, 2022 2:28 pm Sujet du message: |
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SteveR a écrit: | That is clear enough - let me ask a related question.
In this situation the spontaneously charging unit can also slide along the enemy per the first bullet on page 41 "sliding along the enemy"
So it has two options. Charge the most threatening enemy, or stop short and instead provide support for its friend.
When making this spontaneous charge may it advance slightly and provide simple side edge to side edge support for its friend or must it stop at corner to corner contact? |
Spontaneous charge can only occurs if ennemy is in your own ZOC. You can't slide and must go forward. You then have to ending your move with your front contacting the ennemy, either in melee or melee support.
So, you can't provide corner to corner or side to side support with spontaneous charge. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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Posté le: Lun Juil 04, 2022 2:37 pm Sujet du message: |
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Somebody needs a FAQ. Or maybe a hug. |
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Posté le: Lun Juil 04, 2022 2:47 pm Sujet du message: |
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Since you can group Spontaneous Charge, it is quite possible to end up in either simple or melee support if you are not the enabling unit.
It is also possible that the geometry is such that you make corner to corner contact with an adjacent enemy already in melee, before you make contact in front with the enemy in your ZoC. AFAICS you can stop at any time and provide simple support. |
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Posté le: Lun Juil 04, 2022 6:47 pm Sujet du message: |
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This is a difficult candidate for my Q&A. On the one hand my interpretation matches the word, spirit, and common understanding. On the other, the emphasis on charge really obscures it. |
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