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L9000
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Inscrit le: 23 Avr 2015 Messages: 53
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Posté le: Sam Fév 16, 2019 9:26 pm Sujet du message: Furious Charge |
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If an Impetuous MI Contacts an Impetuous HI in rough Terrain in front edge to front edge contact does the MI have Furious charge or are both without Furious charge due to both having the ability?
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fdunadan
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Inscrit le: 12 Juin 2009 Messages: 978
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Posté le: Dim Fév 17, 2019 5:13 am Sujet du message: |
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impetuous foot vs impetuous foot so neither have furious charge.
they both have same base factor and impact, the only difference will be +1 for the MI as the HI is at disadvantage in terrains other than clear. _________________ Audentes fortuna iuvat. |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Dim Fév 17, 2019 10:38 am Sujet du message: |
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P58 last bullet; “furious charge does not apply to a unit in terrain that penalises it in meleeâ€.
Since the HI is penalised in rough terrain while the MI is not, then only the MI has furious charge. |
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L9000
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Inscrit le: 23 Avr 2015 Messages: 53
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Posté le: Dim Fév 17, 2019 11:23 am Sujet du message: |
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Ramses II a écrit: | P58 last bullet; “furious charge does not apply to a unit in terrain that penalises it in meleeâ€.
Since the HI is penalized in rough terrain while the MI is not, then only the MI has furious charge. |
But the rules also say: "If the opponents are foot units in frontal melee and if both units have the "Furious Charge ABILITY" then Furious charge does not apply.
So, I think you cannot ignore this bullet since both units have the furious charge ability even if in terrain it does not apply for the HI.
Can someone ask Hervé Caille please?
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Adrian Clarke
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Posté le: Dim Fév 17, 2019 11:39 am Sujet du message: |
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We’ve always treated it as “current ability in this set of circumstancesâ€. Eg if you lose your ability to furious charge, along with other things you lose your ability to cancel opponent furious charge.
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2009 Messages: 4709
Localisation: paris
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Posté le: Dim Fév 17, 2019 12:13 pm Sujet du message: |
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L9000 a écrit: | Ramses II a écrit: | P58 last bullet; “furious charge does not apply to a unit in terrain that penalises it in meleeâ€.
Since the HI is penalized in rough terrain while the MI is not, then only the MI has furious charge. |
But the rules also say: "If the opponents are foot units in frontal melee and if both units have the "Furious Charge ABILITY" then Furious charge does not apply.
So, I think you cannot ignore this bullet since both units have the furious charge ability even if in terrain it does not apply for the HI.
Can someone ask Hervé Caille please?
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Furious charge ability of heavy impetuous foot is lost in rought terrain. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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L9000
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Inscrit le: 23 Avr 2015 Messages: 53
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Posté le: Dim Fév 17, 2019 12:57 pm Sujet du message: |
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So this bullet is wrong!
"If the opponents are foot units in frontal melee and if both units have the "Furious Charge ABILITY" then Furious charge does not apply.Â
It needs to add: except for troops in terrain that causes them to loose furious charge!!!!!!!!!! Or take away the word "ability".
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Ramses II
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Dim Fév 17, 2019 1:22 pm Sujet du message: |
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The wording is correct Lorenzo.Â
Throughout the rules, some units have “abilities†except in particular circumstances; unfavourable Terrain, attacked by multiple opponents front and flank / rear etc.Â
The bullet points explain the exceptions where the furious charge ability is removed |
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L9000
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Posté le: Dim Fév 17, 2019 1:30 pm Sujet du message: |
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I understand but I must disagree. If some bullets have precedence over others you guys need to add the relevant exeptions on the correct bullet or write the rules differently.
As you see even on just this topic others have misinterpreted the rules.
In any case thanks for the replies!
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Lun Fév 18, 2019 12:26 pm Sujet du message: |
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When all players understand rules in the same way except for a few players, the rules are not badly written, there is only few players misunderstanding.
Abilities only applies if all conditions are présent. If not, unit lose abilities.
Ie: armored legionaries in 1st fighting turn against heavy impétuous cavalry. Cavalry roll less than legios after combat factors.
cavalry benefits armor, as it's the first round and furious charge at first round cancells opponent's armor. So legios has usely ermor ability, which don't apply in that case and so, hes not. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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