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Dickstick
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Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2016 Messages: 680
Localisation: West Bromwich
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Posté le: Mar Aoû 21, 2018 10:24 pm Sujet du message: Longbowmen v crossbow |
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Mediocre longbowmen cost the same as ordinary crossbow.
Which do you think is best?
And why? _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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ethan
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Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 347
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Posté le: Mar Aoû 21, 2018 11:04 pm Sujet du message: |
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Crossbowmen. Mediocre longbowmen are a terrible value. |
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belinconnux
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 09 Sep 2009 Messages: 5443
Localisation: BORDEAUX, near Vana
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 22, 2018 9:04 am Sujet du message: |
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Médiocre shooters are a terrible value _________________ Hasta la victoria Siempre!
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2009 Messages: 4709
Localisation: paris
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 22, 2018 10:57 am Sujet du message: |
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longbow. the mediocre penalty is balanced by -1 on opponent protection _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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Maverick2909
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Inscrit le: 01 Juil 2017 Messages: 103
Localisation: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 22, 2018 11:46 am Sujet du message: |
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Crossbowmen by far. There’s a decent case to be made for saying all longbowmen in general are over priced. The -1 to protection is dependent on the opponent 1) having protection and 2) not being light. Also, crossbowmen are always better than mediocre longbowmen in cases where the opponent has 2 or greater protection. |
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kevinj
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Inscrit le: 07 Fév 2017 Messages: 324
Localisation: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, UK
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 22, 2018 2:21 pm Sujet du message: |
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It depends on what your likely target is. I've calculated that, based on no other factors, the crossbows will hit 27.8% of their shots.
For the Longbows, they will hit Protection 0 or 1 targets 33.3% of the time, but this drops to 19.4% against Protection 2 and 8.3% against Protection 3. |
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 21 Mar 2009 Messages: 4709
Localisation: paris
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 22, 2018 2:30 pm Sujet du message: |
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do a schedule with all dices results and compare. _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 22, 2018 2:31 pm Sujet du message: |
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kevinj a écrit: | It depends on what your likely target is. I've calculated that, based on no other factors, the crossbows will hit 27.8% of their shots.
For the Longbows, they will hit Protection 0 or 1 targets 33.3% of the time, but this drops to 19.4% against Protection 2 and 8.3% against Protection 3. |
do you counted the +11 against mounted? _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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kevinj
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Inscrit le: 07 Fév 2017 Messages: 324
Localisation: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, UK
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 22, 2018 2:33 pm Sujet du message: |
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That's what I did:
The crossbows hit on 10 combinations of a possible 36.
The Longbows hit on 12/36 v Prot 0/1, 7/36 vs Prot 2 and 3/36 vs Prot 3. |
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Hazelbark
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 12 Nov 2014 Messages: 1537
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 22, 2018 2:38 pm Sujet du message: |
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A lot of shooting depends on a wide distribution of die rolls. Mediocre lowers that distribution variable.
The mediocre longbow advantage is generally against something like HC. But the HC is then in charge range, and in melee the mediocre will hurt too. |
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kevinj
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Posté le: Mer Aoû 22, 2018 2:44 pm Sujet du message: |
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No, I only took the base factors. The +1 vs mounted gives both an extra 5/36 hits in the relevant cases:
Crossbows hit 15/36 times (41.7%)
Longbows hit Prot 0/1 17/36 times (47.2%) and Prot 2 12/36 (33.3.%). |
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ethan
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Posté le: Jeu Aoû 23, 2018 11:17 am Sujet du message: |
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They are roughly equal in shooting, but the longbowmen are meaningfully worse in close combat.
Mediocre Bowmen are at least cheap. |
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ethan
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Posté le: Jeu Aoû 23, 2018 11:18 am Sujet du message: |
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Longbowmen in general (as others have noted) may be a bit too pricey. That said they are very nasty against infantry that lacks armor... |
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belinconnux
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 09 Sep 2009 Messages: 5443
Localisation: BORDEAUX, near Vana
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Posté le: Jeu Aoû 23, 2018 12:57 pm Sujet du message: |
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It's difficult toi answer cause it dépends of tournament thème. _________________ Hasta la victoria Siempre!
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Dickstick
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Inscrit le: 17 Juil 2016 Messages: 680
Localisation: West Bromwich
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Posté le: Ven Aoû 24, 2018 6:23 am Sujet du message: |
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If feudal and medieval was the theme what effect to choice does that have? _________________ Player 747 don't call me Jumbo |
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