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Ramses II
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Sam Juin 16, 2018 7:39 am Sujet du message: |
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Mike Bennett a écrit: | I think a better wording might be
“if after the charge move the unit ends up in combat in terrain that would inflict a combat penalty on itâ€. | Is everyone else happy with this definition? |
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Zoltan
Centurion
Inscrit le: 18 Jan 2015 Messages: 443
Localisation: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posté le: Sam Juin 16, 2018 8:35 am Sujet du message: |
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I think we should simply run with Commodore’s translation wording previously posted:
The French booklet says p41 last bullet (modified by addendum) that :"an unit is not subject to uncontrolled charge if, at the end of the charge move, it will be in a terrain who gives a combat disadvantage. |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum
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Localisation: London
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Posté le: Sam Juin 16, 2018 8:58 am Sujet du message: |
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Zoltan a écrit: | I think we should simply run with Commodore’s translation wording previously posted:
The French booklet says p41 last bullet (modified by addendum) that :"an unit is not subject to uncontrolled charge if, at the end of the charge move, it will be in a terrain who gives a combat disadvantage. | Which is near enough the original amendment
Citation: | if, as the result of the charge move, the unit [s]ends up[/s] will be in terrain that would inflict a combat penalty on itâ€. |
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plefebvre
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 30 Déc 2009 Messages: 1166
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Posté le: Sam Juin 16, 2018 4:11 pm Sujet du message: |
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The exact wording of the french text (which is the reference) is
" Si, à la suite du mouvement de charge, l’unité se retrouve dans un terrain qui lui inflige un malus au combat ».
And the English translation is :
“if, as the result of the charge move, the unit ends up in terrain that would inflict a combat penalty on itâ€
Page 42
You can see that "malus" has been translated by "penalty" . I think there is no "lost in translation" effect because the rule doesn't speak about "disadvantage" and to be disadvantaged is not exactly the same as to suffer a penalty. _________________ patrick lefebvre
"sic transit gloria mundi" |
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AlanCutner
Tribun
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Localisation: Scotland
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Posté le: Sam Juin 16, 2018 5:44 pm Sujet du message: |
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I think we all understand the intent. A suitable FAQ now needs to be published asap so that club players not on this forum are made aware of it - or don't try to claim 'its just an opinion of someone on the forum so not a ruling' as I've heard before. |
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madaxeman
Magister Militum
Inscrit le: 01 Nov 2014 Messages: 1468
Localisation: Londres Centraal.
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Posté le: Sam Juin 16, 2018 5:58 pm Sujet du message: |
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So this will mean that units in disordering terrain are only going to go Impetuous against opponents sufficeintly far outside that the charger nds up fully out of the terrain?
Or, put another way, 2 units both in disordering terrain are never Impetuous against each other _________________ www.madaxeman.com |
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lionelrus
Magister Militum
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Localisation: paris
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Posté le: Sam Juin 16, 2018 6:32 pm Sujet du message: |
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madaxeman a écrit: | So this will mean that units in disordering terrain are only going to go Impetuous against opponents sufficeintly far outside that the charger nds up fully out of the terrain?
Or, put another way, 2 units both in disordering terrain are never Impetuous against each other |
Yes _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
Perceval à Yvain et Gauvain. |
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Zoltan
Centurion
Inscrit le: 18 Jan 2015 Messages: 443
Localisation: Wellington, New Zealand
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Posté le: Dim Juin 17, 2018 3:50 am Sujet du message: |
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Zoltan a écrit: | So the French reading appears to be something like:
You don’t have to make an uncontrolled charge if you will end the charge in terrain that gives you a combat disadvantage.
This covers:
Start in good terrain; end in bad terrain
Start in bad terrain; end in bad terrain
If you start in bad terrain but will end in good terrain then you are still subject to an uncontrolled charge. |
So looks like I called it right in the first response to the OP.
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Mike Bennett
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Localisation: Carnforth, Lancashire, UK
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Posté le: Dim Juin 17, 2018 5:18 am Sujet du message: |
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One last comment from me. I think any phrase that uses the word "result" is likely to be a problem, but as long as everyone knows what the intention is we can live with it. |
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plefebvre
Magister Militum
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Posté le: Dim Juin 17, 2018 2:03 pm Sujet du message: |
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[quote="lionelrus"] madaxeman a écrit: | So this will mean that units in disordering terrain are only going to go Impetuous against opponents sufficeintly far outside that the charger nds up fully out of the terrain?
Or, put another way, 2 units both in disordering terrain are never Impetuous against each other |
Definitly yes _________________ patrick lefebvre
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