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Uncle Meat
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Posté le: Dim Déc 14, 2014 11:51 pm Sujet du message: We're all Strategists! |
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I read the review of the rules on Mad Axeman's website, and purchased the rules a few weeks ago. It all looks great. I played several 200 point games and the mechanics work well too. All wargamers will nit-pick an army list and I'm no exception. The part of the game that makes me crazy are the decisions about who is and who isn't a strategist.
In a game about battles, the strategy of war or a campaign rarely should intrude. Instead, as the FOG system uses "Great" Leaders, are what should be potential Generals for certain lists. I think we can all agree that Alexander, Hannibal, and Caesar are all great leaders AND strategists, but Vercingetorix while a charismatic Gallic leader, was no Strategist! I think we could all look at the army lists and say "Where is _______?" For my part I say where is King David? If Vercingetorix is a Strategist so is David and many, many other leaders. |
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belinconnux
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Posté le: Lun Déc 15, 2014 8:34 am Sujet du message: |
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Certainly it's true. But ...
I think "tactician" will be a better word than "strategist" cause AdG il designed for battle no for campaign.
Did Alexander a strategist? No, he was just advance in persia and destroy all the army in front of him without fine manoeuvre before.
Was Hannibal a strategist? Yes cause he used very fine manoeuver. And he was a tactician too.
Did Vercingétorix a strategist? He had a strategy to tired cesar'army and cut his supply road. He failed because of Cesar and Gallish mood. And don't forget something very important : Vercingetorix was GAULOIS! _________________ Hasta la victoria Siempre!
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Uncle Meat
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Posté le: Lun Déc 15, 2014 9:34 pm Sujet du message: Strategist |
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Alexander marched down the coasts of Asia Minor, Levant, and Egypt to eliminate Persia's ability to field a Navy which could threaten his line of Communication back to Pella. This strategy also kept him near his own Navy in case his land battles became disastrous. |
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belinconnux
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Posté le: Mar Déc 16, 2014 8:58 am Sujet du message: |
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This is fondamental, not genius. _________________ Hasta la victoria Siempre!
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I never roll a six
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Posté le: Mar Déc 16, 2014 9:53 pm Sujet du message: Strategists |
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I think of the term "strategist" in the AdlG as "exceptional general". Having a strategist does not guarantee that your army's command system will be good.
Whilst you can have Vercingetorix as your CinC in a Gallic army, you will not have any command points left for other generals, because the Gallic army command rating is 2, so your other two Corps in a standard 200 pt army will be commanded by Ordinary commanders. Also, the Gallic army, even with Vercingetorix in command, can never have an initiative die roll modifier of more than +3.
Compare that to Alexander the Great (list 40). With a strategist in command, a command rating of 6 and the capability of having 6 units of LH, that army can have an initiative drm of +6.
Therefore the overall army command rating is in my view just as important as having a strategist, although I think strategists are well worth having. |
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Mar Déc 16, 2014 11:06 pm Sujet du message: |
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adg is a tactic game , so stratege is a good tacticien. So do I _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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belinconnux
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Posté le: Mer Déc 17, 2014 1:16 pm Sujet du message: Re: Strategists |
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I never roll a six a écrit: | I think of the term "strategist" in the AdlG as "exceptional general". Having a strategist does not guarantee that your army's command system will be good.
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I agree. A "strategist" could be a charismatic leader too. _________________ Hasta la victoria Siempre!
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Uncle Meat
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Posté le: Dim Mar 08, 2015 11:19 pm Sujet du message: Strategist is really an inspired Leader |
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ADLG uses a general who is a strategist to affect the initiative and terrain of a battle field. I think this is reasonable. I disagree that all Strategists = Inspired Commanders. Richard the Lionheart and Vercingetorix were very inspirational battlefield commanders but unexceptional strategists. King David was both, but where is he listed? Inspired leaders? How about Joshua? Barak? Josiah? Judah Maccabee? or John Hyrcanus?
If I concentrate on Israelite/Jewish armies, this is because I tend to build these.
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lionelrus
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Posté le: Lun Mar 09, 2015 5:31 am Sujet du message: Re: Strategist is really an inspired Leader |
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Uncle Meat a écrit: | ADLG uses a general who is a strategist to affect the initiative and terrain of a battle field. I think this is reasonable. I disagree that all Strategists = Inspired Commanders. Richard the Lionheart and Vercingetorix were very inspirational battlefield commanders but unexceptional strategists. King David was both, but where is he listed? Inspired leaders? How about Joshua? Barak? Josiah? Judah Maccabee? or John Hyrcanus?
If I concentrate on Israelite/Jewish armies, this is because I tend to build these.
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And Moshe dayan? _________________ "Quand on a pas de technique, faut y aller à la zob"
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Toi tu vas fâcher ... _________________ Hasta la victoria Siempre!
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Uncle Meat
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Posté le: Mar Mar 10, 2015 12:22 am Sujet du message: |
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Just hoping to hear back from the author on why he did not choose to use the term inspired rather than strategist. Also would like to understand his reasons on why commanders like some of those mentioned above were not listed when the standard of Vercingetorix is applied. |
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