AlanCutner
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 Posté le: Mer Nov 19, 2014 8:48 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Citation: | | If the first cavalry unit withdrew before the second one turned, then yes it is a charge because edge contact is not considered as being in melee. |
Having re-read the rules I'm not convinced by this. P50 states a unit already in contact with an enemy cannot charge it, but can move into melee. P36 then makes clear such a melee does not use charge specific abilities (impact, javelin, etc).
Any more views on which is correct? |
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Rosbif
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| Posté le: Jeu Nov 20, 2014 5:58 am Sujet du message: |
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You're right, the quarter turn of the unit in edge-to-edge contact is a "Conformation after a melee" (p55).  I blame my age!  |
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ethan
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| Posté le: Jeu Nov 20, 2014 11:54 pm Sujet du message: |
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So if we start like this:
and end like this:
Does it count as a flank attack? |
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Soranon
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| Posté le: Jeu Nov 20, 2014 11:58 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yes but it isn't a charge but a conformation.
If it was elephant's turn after the melee phase it's a conformation after melee.
If it was Cavalry's turn after the melee phase, Cavalry could choose to conform (not a very good idea...) If it didn't conform the elephant can conform one is own phase (but allow cavalry to dodge if it can) |
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ethan
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| Posté le: Ven Nov 21, 2014 3:26 am Sujet du message: |
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| Soranon a écrit: | Yes but it isn't a charge but a conformation.
If it was elephant's turn after the melee phase it's a conformation after melee.
If it was Cavalry's turn after the melee phase, Cavalry could choose to conform (not a very good idea...) If it didn't conform the elephant can conform one is own phase (but allow cavalry to dodge if it can) |
So the cavalry would not fight with the penalties associated with being attacked in the flank in this case (reduced to zero factor, no special abilities)? It would fight with its normal factors? |
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Rosbif
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| Posté le: Ven Nov 21, 2014 6:07 am Sujet du message: |
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| ethan a écrit: | | So the cavalry would not fight with the penalties associated with being attacked in the flank in this case (reduced to zero factor, no special abilities)? It would fight with its normal factors? |
The cavalry does fight with the penalties associated with being attacked in the flank (reduced to zero factor, no special abilities) because they apply whether the flank attack is a charge or a conformation (Attacked on flank or rear, p56). It is the first round special abilities of the attacker that do not count as it is a conformation not a charge (Conforming after a melee, p55).
NB The first sentence in Attacked on flank or rear, p56, refers to being charged - this is wrong, it should say attacked. It is wrong in the French rules too. The whole section relates to combats resulting from both charges and conformations. |
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