Za Otlichiye
Signifer
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Localisation: Lovecraft country (and you Dan?)
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Posté le: Sam Nov 20, 2021 12:21 am Sujet du message: Rallying and conformance |
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While looking at the Stakes issue, I was struck by the Rally rule:
Citation: | A unit that attempts to rally cannot voluntarily move or conform but can still shoot or fight in melee. |
and I'm baffled as to what it's trying to say about conformance.
Conformance seems mandatory (last bullet page 53). The only voluntary situation I can see is if one is partially conformant because of penalizing terrain, and decides to fully conform instead.
So is this saying if you are partially conformed and you rally, you cannot fully conform?
I also assume that you can rally and then conduct an uncontrolled charge or pursuit including conformance as part of those procedures? (otherwise you have a weird situation where well aligned units conform and and unaligned do not...) |
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KevinD
Légat
Inscrit le: 23 Aoû 2021 Messages: 501
Localisation: Texas
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Posté le: Sam Nov 20, 2021 3:12 am Sujet du message: |
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Za Otlichiye a écrit: | While looking at the Stakes issue, I was struck by the Rally rule:
Citation: | A unit that attempts to rally cannot voluntarily move or conform but can still shoot or fight in melee. |
and I'm baffled as to what it's trying to say about conformance.
Conformance seems mandatory (last bullet page 53). The only voluntary situation I can see is if one is partially conformant because of penalizing terrain, and decides to fully conform instead.
So is this saying if you are partially conformed and you rally, you cannot fully conform?
I also assume that you can rally and then conduct an uncontrolled charge or pursuit including conformance as part of those procedures? (otherwise you have a weird situation where well aligned units conform and and unaligned do not...) |
Voluntary does not modify conform, only move.
(1) If you make a voluntary move you can’t rally. (2) If you make ANY sort conform (voluntary or not) you can’t rally. |
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Za Otlichiye
Signifer
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Posté le: Sam Nov 20, 2021 6:35 pm Sujet du message: |
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My confusion is more about "why?"
Conformance usually occurs after you charge (move so the conformance bit doesn't matter),
or the enemy group has charged your unaligned units,
or the enemy has charged a flank or rear.
I would assume that conformance is (almost always) mandatory and therefore you cannot rally.
I guess this does give some additional penalty to those who have been caught in the flank or rear. They spin around, but they can't make up losses from last sequence.
And further encouragement to keep everything aligned. |
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Ramses II
Magister Militum
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Localisation: London
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Posté le: Dim Nov 21, 2021 2:51 am Sujet du message: |
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You are correct that conformation occurs after some form of movement, but in “timing of conformationâ€, after a melee a unit only conforms if it does not move away or charge something else, so conformation is not always mandatory.
What the rules are presenting is quite reasonable; you cannot reorder (rally) the ranks of a unit while it is on the move, the soldiers have to stop and “rally around the flagâ€, even when in melee.Â
And as for “partial alignment “, which may occur for various reasons, the subsequent conformation can be considered to be actual movement, unlike the more usual situations where conformation is merely a game mechanism to facilitate the game calculations |
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Za Otlichiye
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Posté le: Dim Nov 21, 2021 4:11 pm Sujet du message: |
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Yeah, I forgot the case of melee results leaving you in non-melee contact. Okay there is some sense of "reorientation" here. Probably don't need to overthink it.
Interesting. On page 45 I see that rallying prevents Uncontrolled charging. [thanks Mike]
Okay, that leaves rallying-continuing melee - routing your enemies-uncontrolled pursuit and contact-mandatory conformance. Since it's unpredictable and you can't rewind, I guess there is no prohibition in this case.
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Mike Bennett
Centurion
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Localisation: Carnforth, Lancashire, UK
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Posté le: Dim Nov 21, 2021 10:37 pm Sujet du message: |
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Za Otlichiye a écrit: | . On page 45 I see that rallying prevents Uncontrolled charging. Certainly cheaper than a hold. I guess you must be in Disorder to rally. Otherwise it's a wheeze. |
Rallying rather than charging still costs the 3cp |
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