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Za Otlichiye
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 Posté le: Dim Sep 19, 2021 7:04 pm Sujet du message: Is Incendiary canceled by flank or rear attack? |
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Would only apply to El and WWg with blades, but should Incendiary be included in the abilities canceled by flank or rear attack?
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madaxeman
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| Posté le: Dim Sep 19, 2021 7:23 pm Sujet du message: |
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| Za Otlichiye a écrit: | | Would only apply to El, but should Incendiary be included in the abilities canceled by flank or rear attack? |
Incendiary is not included in the list of factors cancelled by flank or rear attacks in the list given on p63 where this rule is found, and so is not cancelled.
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KevinD
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| Posté le: Lun Sep 20, 2021 4:08 am Sujet du message: |
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| madaxeman a écrit: | | Za Otlichiye a écrit: | | Would only apply to El, but should Incendiary be included in the abilities canceled by flank or rear attack? |
Incendiary is not included in the list of factors cancelled by flank or rear attacks in the list given on p63 where this rule is found, and so is not cancelled. |
I think it’s an oversight. They are not in the list of abilities that don’t apply when flanked (2nd bullet on p. 63) but they are also not included in the list of those that still do apply (4th bullet). But was the oversight failing to include them in the 2nd or 4th bullet?
When I look at the 2nd bullet item I see they are all active effects from the unit taking an action (wielding a weapon, charging, etc.). In contrast the 4 bullet items are all passive abilities due to what is being worn (armor) or biology (big smelly beasts). To me incendiaries are more like the first category, weapons that have to be wielded to have an effect. Thus I would think they would not apply when their wielded is hit in the flank. Still I admit this is a pretty weak reed upon which to base the argument, but they have to go into one bullet or the other. |
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MC_Delicatessen
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I have a horse in this as I just bought incendiary dudes for various periods...
Surely this is an oversight and it should cancelled like e.g. javs? Hbark? |
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Za Otlichiye
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Is it also an oversight that Incendiary does not count against Scythed Chariots?
It has a (small) range and perhaps would deter crazed beasts more than a wall of spears.
Also it is a LI weapon. |
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fdunadan
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By the way Incendiary is a shooting weapon. The effects are not counted when in close combat.
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| fdunadan a écrit: | | By the way Incendiary is a shooting weapon. The effects are not counted when in close combat. |
Absolutly, try understanding before asking....
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My understanding of | Citation: | | Bonus of +1 for shooting and fighting against elephants and war wagons |
is that it applies to both shooting and melee. If it means something else I'd welcome an explanation. |
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fdunadan
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My apologies.
Incendiary is indeed listed p19 as giving a +1 bonus against El and WWg in fighting.
It is not listed in the canceled abilities, but neither in the preserved abilities 
so maybe it is an oversight?
waiting an explanation, it is logical to conserve the bonus even if flanked. (what is not forbidden is authorized)
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Za Otlichiye
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Thanks FD - my own opinion is that precedence says weapon effect bonuses are canceled.
My new question is admittedly quite speculative. Does Incendiary count against SCh?
It would seem to be a LI weapon similar to javelins and probably just as effective and furthermore costs extra.
Since it looks like Incendiary may have been forgotten in the flank attack rules, and since I believe they are anachronistic with SCh, it seems quite possible no one thought to include it.
But of course there is not much to discuss rules wise - it isn't there!
But we can still speculate....  |
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KevinD
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| Za Otlichiye a écrit: | Thanks FD - my own opinion is that precedence says weapon effect bonuses are canceled.
My new question is admittedly quite speculative. Does Incendiary count against SCh?
It would seem to be a LI weapon similar to javelins and probably just as effective and furthermore costs extra.
Since it looks like Incendiary may have been forgotten in the flank attack rules, and since I believe they are anachronistic with SCh, it seems quite possible no one thought to include it.
But of course there is not much to discuss rules wise - it isn't there!
But we can still speculate.... |
Incendiary definitely does not count against SCh. There is an all inclusive list of what counts against SCh (p 16) and Incendiary is not on that list. Furthermore the only close combat Indiary does affect is vs El and WWg (p 19).
Should it? Who knows but that will have to await for v5. |
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lionelrus
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| KevinD a écrit: | | Za Otlichiye a écrit: | Thanks FD - my own opinion is that precedence says weapon effect bonuses are canceled.
My new question is admittedly quite speculative. Does Incendiary count against SCh?
It would seem to be a LI weapon similar to javelins and probably just as effective and furthermore costs extra.
Since it looks like Incendiary may have been forgotten in the flank attack rules, and since I believe they are anachronistic with SCh, it seems quite possible no one thought to include it.
But of course there is not much to discuss rules wise - it isn't there!
But we can still speculate.... |
Incendiary definitely does not count against SCh. There is an all inclusive list of what counts against SCh (p 16) and Incendiary is not on that list. Furthermore the only close combat Indiary does affect is vs El and WWg (p 19).
Should it? Who knows but that will have to await for v5. |
I agree with Kevin.
I have to give aplogies about incendiaries against Elephants and war wagons, as bonus counts in close fighting. I think it doesn't in capacities canceled by flank attack because we just forget it. This have to be cleared by El Kreator, until this ...
As far i 'm concerned, i don't cancel bonus. But another umpire may do.
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