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Condottieri, List 235, Venice (page 227 of the English edition).
Stradiots and Turks are available "from 1440."
English longbowmen are available "to 1440."
Am I right in assuming that a player cannot field both by claiming that his army is in 1440?
I remember this cropping up with older sets of rules and I always felt combinations in the year of transition were dodgy, but wanted to confirm that this is not legitimate.
Are there other lists with similar pivotal years?
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vexillia
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As written the use of to & from means that in the "year of transition" (nice phrase) you can use both.
Had it been before & from then the answer would have been not. For completeness, had it been before & after the answer would have been neither.
The use of the three phrases in V4 (as in V3) is inconsistent and there are a few more cases of missing years etc. Ideally, they should have standardised on before & from.
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Thank you both for responding so quickly. If I am reading you aright you are saying that because the stradiots are available FROM 1440 and the longbowmen TO 1440, Venice can field both in 1440.
That would be my interpretation of the wording.
However, I would guess that the intention was that Venice could not field them paired.
If so, then fielding them together would surely be, to coin a phrase from an earlier set of rules, "cheesy."
I wonder if the French edition forbids this? If it does, I feel we should follow France.
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vexillia
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What is written is clear. What was intended is not.
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Hazelbark
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| vexillia a écrit: | | What is written is clear. What was intended is not. |
More accurately I would suggest,
What is written is clear. We do not know if they intended something different.
We really cannot say they did not intend this. There are lots of dates in this list and it just could be a coincidence.
I don't know the history of Venice to ponder why that year. |
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| A4 a écrit: | Condottieri, List 235, Venice (page 227 of the English edition).
Stradiots and Turks are available "from 1440."
English longbowmen are available "to 1440."
Am I right in assuming that a player cannot field both by claiming that his army is in 1440?
Alan |
yes , a army in 1440 can field both. As written.
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A4
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| lionelrus a écrit: | | A4 a écrit: | Condottieri, List 235, Venice (page 227 of the English edition).
Stradiots and Turks are available "from 1440."
English longbowmen are available "to 1440."
Am I right in assuming that a player cannot field both by claiming that his army is in 1440?
Alan |
yes , a army in 1440 can field both. As written. |
Thank you everyone who has answered this. I fielded this list without the odd 1440 combination, as it seemed to me likely that only a slip of the pen allowed it.
However, it is interesting to see that everyone, like Lionelrus, feels that if the text allows it one can field it. If that is the universal view, I will follow it.
Venice was at war in 1440, so it is not impossible that such a combination was fielded in that year (or could, in theory, have been fielded that year) and that year only, even if unlikely.
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